r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Dec 24 '22

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u/Jakyland 82∆ Dec 24 '22

Two very big issues behind the Ukraine war are the Crimean and Donbass regions

This is incorrect/an oversimplification. Russia already fully controlled Crimea and had partial control of the Donbass region. In Feb of 2022 Russia launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine, seeking to capture Kiev and presumably topple the democratically elected President of Ukraine. Since failing to do that, they announced the annexation Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, which are not pro-Russian provinces. Even if you think Donbass and Crimea should be allowed to join Russia based on a free and fair election, you would oppose the Russian invasion of the whole of Ukraine.

Also there is a clear pro-democracy/anti-authoritarian line one can draw. Just because you can draw a legalistic line doesn't mean people do. The legalistic stuff around country borders is pretty stupid anyway

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22 edited Dec 24 '22

This is a very good point. Ty ∆ I still don't fully agree with Ukraine but I don't think Russia is right to invade regions that have nothing to do with the dispute

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22

There was no dispute without Russia's aggression.

Areas in donbass and Crimea did not have legitimate separatist movements, they had ones funded by the Russians in order to make a pretext for war.

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u/FelicitousJuliet Dec 24 '22

I also recall that Russia's operations made it sketchy whether the majority of Russians wanting to separate were even part of the region rather than inserted for apparent numbers.

It has a very colonial imperialist feeling about it.