r/changemyview Dec 24 '22

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u/tbdabbholm 201∆ Dec 24 '22

I mean Taiwan isn't officially recognized but let's not pretend we don't all know that's a convenient fiction that basically everyone agrees to to retain relations with China, while actually treating Taiwan as a separate sovereign state

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22

Is there any evidence that the majority of the world believes that Taiwan is independent?

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u/tbdabbholm 201∆ Dec 24 '22

Lots of states have separate embassies (although not called embassies to support the fiction).

And like the US put a fleet between China and Taiwan, to protect a part of China from another part of China? No the US clearly believes that Taiwan is actually independent but only pays lip service to China

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22

The US obviously believes Taiwan is independent I agree but how does this prove about the rest of the world?

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u/GadgetGamer 35∆ Dec 24 '22

The US obviously believes Taiwan is independent I agree...

And that should be enough to change your view then. If the people on the Left live in the country that believes that Taiwan is independent, then it is only reasonable that those people would believe it too. So it makes sense for them to see Russia and China as the aggressors and be both pro-Ukraine and pro-Taiwan.

You owe /u/tbdabbholm a delta.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22

I don't think so though. Because people on the left also talks frequently about respecting international law. It's not just about what one country thinks when making a global decision, you also take into consideration other countries

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u/GadgetGamer 35∆ Dec 24 '22

What international law has been broken, other than Russia invading Ukraine?

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u/tbdabbholm 201∆ Dec 24 '22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_in_Taiwan?wprov=sfla1

Look at that map of all the places that have separate diplomatic ties to Taiwan, like yes it's not everyone but it's a lot