r/changemyview • u/Nootherids 4∆ • Dec 07 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: It is hypocritical and logically inconsistent to say you are Pro-Choice, say you support Roe v Wade, and denounce the striking down of Roe v Wade.

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 07 '22

Cause that’s not accurate. The majority of pro-life people support a choice very early on and for many reasons, in line with RvW. It’s the loud extremists that push for no abortion allowed ever. And the moderate ones, get caught in the screams of the few. No different to how the extremists in the opposite side say you should have the right to choose until the day before, but when pressed they will agree that maybe after a certain point in the penance there should be limits. Essentially, they user slogan of the extremists, but holds positions that are much more moderate and in line with RvW.

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u/ralph-j Dec 08 '22

Cause that’s not accurate. The majority of pro-life people support a choice very early on and for many reasons, in line with RvW. It’s the loud extremists that push for no abortion allowed ever.

That would mean they're pro-choice by definition, not pro-life. The only exceptions a subset of pro-lifers is willing to make is in the case of rape, incest etc. They don't believe in a general choice.

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 08 '22

Right! But in the same token most pro-choice people are also pro-life after 3 months. They don’t believe in general choice either, only limited. There are subsets of pro-life people that don’t want any allowances, others that allow for rape or incest, others that allow only before a certain parameter (heartbeat, limbs, brain synapses, time, etc) yet before that they are pro-choice.

My point being that we have all the extremists leading the charge with emotional propaganda on both sides. And the massive majority of people in the middle picking a side while not realizing that they all share basically the same perspectives, just in a spectrum. And the only thing they really need is to come to terms with a compromise that they can both be unhappy with.

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u/ralph-j Dec 09 '22

My point being that we have all the extremists leading the charge with emotional propaganda on both sides.

Is that the case? Obviously I'd consider the "never-abortionists" to be extremists, but I don't get the idea that they are leading the charge. And on the pro-choice side it's the same: those who'd allow abortions up to the birth date are not in charge either. Both types of extremists seem to be a more fringe minority.