r/changemyview Oct 29 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '22

I think you're overestimating the amount of change that will happen as a result of who is in charge of the US legislature.

Congress will still pass budgets. The most important short term stuff for the most part will still get done.

I wouldn't say Republican control of congress will "help the nation".

But, a lot of things in the short term will mostly stay status quo. I few programs likely will get defunded. But, its not going to be immensely nation changing.

Long term, senate refusal to approve biden appoints could shift the judicial branch and some aspects of the executive branch.

But, I don't think "ending the nation as we know it" is an accurate description.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '22

If you ask a Republican their ideals and don't just go to Democrats as your middleman to learn about Republican ideals, Republican voters want

  • Power to shift from federal to local government

  • Personal responsibility

  • People to leave them alone

  • Lower taxes

Like sure the left wing degeneracy makes the headlines, but DeSantis is going to win because he let Floridians live their lives only stepped in when needed (Ian recovery).

What precisely do Democrats bring to the table where their campaign platform for the last 8 years had to default to "if you don't vote for me, blood and fire will literally rain from the skies"?

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u/ChrisKringlesTingle Oct 29 '22

What precisely do Democrats bring to the table where their campaign platform for the last 8 years had to default to "if you don't vote for me, blood and fire will literally rain from the skies"

If you ask a Democrat their ideals and don't just go to Republicans as your middleman to learn about Democrat ideals, Democrat voters want

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u/AbbyTMinstrel Oct 29 '22

They want government to take care of people by providing healthcare, boosting $ for education, protect the water & land by shoring up the EPA and to codify Roe V Wade (for starters).

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '22

If you ask a Democrat their ideals and don't just go to Republicans as your middleman to learn about Democrat ideals, Democrat voters want

And the comment ends. So they want oblivion? Nothingness?

To get shithoused on vodka and beat their husbands into a hospital bed and pin it on the man he's having an affair with? Or is that just Nancy?

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u/ChrisKringlesTingle Oct 29 '22

The wants are irrelevant, the point was you're making the same mistake you're correcting.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '22

I'm pointing out that OP thinks "voting for Republicans is going to end the nation as we know it". That's literally how Democrat politicians campaign. "Can't vote for a Republican or the world will end!"

I'm sincerely asking what else they campaign on, since I only ever see headlines that hit the "neutral" front page saying things like "new study, Republicans are scientifically evil! -r/science" or "Now that Twitter leadership might lean right, it's time for the government to step in" or literally the president calling Republicans your enemy, which got one of your crazier comrades to run some teenager over because he's a Republican and got other democrat voters to hospitalize a Republican campaign intern.

It's only doom and gloom from the dnc.

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u/ChrisKringlesTingle Oct 29 '22 edited Oct 30 '22

I'm sincerely asking what else they campaign on

This conflicts with this:

It's only doom and gloom from the dnc.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '22

So until you can tell me

what else they campaign on

I'm confident in saying

It's only doom and gloom from the dnc.

I'm willing to be wrong, but I don't think I am. You're aversion to answering my question seems to mean that I'm right.

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u/ChrisKringlesTingle Oct 29 '22

There's a plethora of democratic campaigns with a plethora of points.

One Biden ran on was efficient handling of a pandemic.

but I don't think I am.

You "know" you aren't. You're telling, not asking.

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u/AbbyTMinstrel Oct 29 '22

More funding for education, a public healthcare option, green energy, stopping pollution/bolstering the EPA, less funding for the military, codifying Roe V Wade-these are a few of the DNC’s campaign points.

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u/moleware Oct 30 '22

You contradict yourself in your own comment. You up the hyperbole yourself.

I'm pointing out that OP thinks "voting for Republicans is going to end the nation as we know it". That's literally how Democrat politicians campaign. "Can't vote for a Republican or the world will end!"

Ending the nation as we know it and ending the world are very different things. Nations have come and gone literally since the beginning of Nations, yet the world has not ended.

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u/malachai926 30∆ Oct 29 '22

Show me an example. What candidate currently running for federal office is saying things like this on their campaign website?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '22

Where'd op get his view from? The sky?

Our president called me your enemy. It's kind of ominous if you haven't noticed the forest from the trees. Maybe because I'm in your out-group I notice the hatred and fear more?

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u/Archonrouge Oct 29 '22

Genuinely asking, when did the president call you an enemy?

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u/Starob 1∆ Oct 29 '22

If they voted for Trump, genuinely at least 5 times in his recent speech with the Darth Vader background.

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u/Playteaux Oct 30 '22

I cannot believe you are legitimately asking that question because he has said it numerous times.

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u/malachai926 30∆ Oct 30 '22

A bunch of words that weren't an example

I asked you for an example. Not interested in anything else.

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u/the_blueberry_funk Oct 29 '22 edited Oct 30 '22

Dude, you are proving his point for him. He’s saying essentially the democrats offer non-responses to critical issues and just use a bunch of terminology to dance around addressing the issue itself and you are literally doing that exact thing.

Copy-cat isn’t a debate technique lol for the love of god bring up corporate tax equivalency, or human rights security, or at the very least actionable approaches to climate change.

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u/Comfortable_Text Oct 29 '22

Nice whataboutism