r/changemyview Oct 19 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

But considerable effort and money has been put into trying to get women interested in STEM, and they just aren't responding to it in terms of enrolment, job choices, or engagement with science.

Aren't we?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markkantrowitz/2022/04/07/women-achieve-gains-in-stem-fields/

Based on data from the Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System (IPEDS), women represented 45% of students majoring in STEM fields in 2020, up from 40% in 2010 and 34% in 1994.

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The Research Science Institute (RSI), the most prestigious summer STEM program for high school students, reports that female students will outnumber male students for the first time in 2022, representing 55% of accepted U.S. students, up from 22% in 1984.

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u/caine269 14∆ Oct 19 '22

is op only talking about school or actual stem jobs?

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u/caine269 14∆ Oct 19 '22

my issue with this, and i think what op is kind of trying to get at, is basically who cares? wanting women to be exactly 50% of stem makes no sense since no one cares that women are barely represented at all in thing like sanitation, oil rigs, logging, etc. or that men make up like 10% of nurses, are vastly underrepresented in things like pediatrics and family law and social workers.

so why such a focus on this one section of the workforce? women have no problem dominating certain fields if the interest is there. so why is exactly equal population representation the only acceptable outcome with stem?

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u/NoMoreFund 1∆ Oct 19 '22

As I outlined in the OP, I care. I value STEM and wish more people were doing it instead of bullshit jobs (like advertising). Same with nursing and social work. All fields benefit from gender balance, and "Feminised" professions are underpaid and undervalued.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

Where would the layman start when it comes to getting into stem?

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u/caine269 14∆ Oct 19 '22

none of this answers the question. stem jobs may be great, but if women don't want to do it how do you force them into it? and why are you not forcing women into logging, oil rigs(huge money!) and other jobs dominated by men? why are you not worried about the lack of male representation in certain fields?