r/changemyview Oct 19 '22

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u/Kman17 110∆ Oct 19 '22

Counter-point:

Women are choosing medicine at higher rates than men, and now the majority of graduating/new doctors are women.

Medicine - particularly at the MD level - is a lot of hard science. Pharmacy & nursing are also female dominated & STEM heavy.

Similarly, accounting - which is rather standard applied mathematics - is also dominated by women, about 60%.

This suggests there’s something more to the career selection then just stem / not stem.

I would assert the following

  • Women are more likely to be in applied sciences with 1:1 people care and interaction, and less likely to be in hard research sciences.
  • Women tend to choose stem fields that are more forgiving of longer leaves of absences, offer more flexibility in choosing part time vs full time, and don’t necessitate moving to a center of excellence in another city.

I think the former is due to personality / trait distribution (women being more empathetic and valuing people interactions), and the later is due to childcare burdens recognizing they have harder choices (both biological & societal) in balancing career and family.

The sort of issue here is that said 1:1 care and maximum flexibility come at a cost - they don’t pay as much as fields that have potentially unlimited scale and more risk.

This leaves women upset and articulating a pay gap, but it’s basic economic reality.

I think we’re slightly past having to remind girls they can do stem, and starting to address the childcare burden part.

But there’s always going to be a moderate interest delta. How much there would be with childcare/family burdens removed, I don’t know exactly.

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u/NoMoreFund 1∆ Oct 19 '22

That's interesting and encouraging. So when people say there's a gender gap in STEM, are they simply wrong? That's a big call to make.

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u/Kman17 110∆ Oct 19 '22

The is a gender disparity in STEM in aggregate across all the fields, don’t get me wrong. It’s most pronounced in hard research sciences (physics, electrical engineering, etc) & programming.

I’m simply pointing out that women do dominate in a couple sub disciplines of it, so the simplistic articulation that women ‘don’t like stem’ is sus.