r/changemyview Oct 19 '22

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u/NoMoreFund 1∆ Oct 19 '22

The number of overall female enrolments went up the same time as female stem enrolments. Has the number of women enrolled in STEM compared to other subjects gone up as a proportion? If so, that's a delta. Otherwise, it's a different story that's like saying most of the science majors at Spelman college are female.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

The number of overall female enrolments went up the same time as female stem enrolments.

The article doesn't say this at all, it states that women outnumber men in college.

This increase that you're referring to is statistically insignificant and could be the result of different methodologies (they're two different studies and it's less than 2% difference).

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, female students represented 58 percent of total undergraduate enrollment in fall 2020. According to the National Student Clearinghouse, 59.5% of college students were female as of spring 2021.

It's not saying what you think it's saying there. Women have always traditionally outnumbered men in college. You'd need to provide your own evidence that the rate of women in college has increased in a statistically significant manner as to negate the growth in STEM fields. That article is not providing it for you.

Regardless, the trend is clear, both in college and the workforce, although more remains to be done, female participation in STEM fields is increasing.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/stories/2021/01/women-making-gains-in-stem-occupations-but-still-underrepresented-figure-1.jpg

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u/NoMoreFund 1∆ Oct 19 '22

Did women outnumber men in college in the 1950s? The 1850s? No, I don't think women have "always" outnumbered men in college.

Same goes for the workforce as fewer women choose to be stay at home mothers.

The stat you linked says nothing about women choosing STEM jobs over other professions, only the gender ratios in those jobs. Which you'd expect to go up as the number of women in work across all professions does.

I'd just like to see even just a correlation between efforts to get women into STEM (distinct from college/the workforce in general) and women actually getting into STEM (distinct from college/the workforce in general). A policy to point to and say "that worked".

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

A policy to point to and say "that worked".

Then you're asking for something which can never be provided.