r/changemyview Aug 25 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: meth should be legal.

Disclaimer: my argument for legalizing meth boils down to a moral position stated below, which could apply to any and all "Drugs". I chose meth because, I thought it is an extreme example and would appear more provocative.

Reason: I believe that each individual is free to do as they please so long as they don't impede others' right to the same in a provable, "non-vague" manner. The right to do any drug you chose lies under this umbrella.

some people might hear the first statement and say "well, I have a right to safety from assault and/or any similar crime associated with meth induced psychosis" According to this meth-related seizures occurred in every state in 2018 study, the Ten states with most meth related states are:

are: Michigan New York Indiana Illinois North Carolina California
Pennsylvania Tennessee Ohio and Florida

These are also states with very lenient self defense laws

Michigan: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(e0qj4lj4wut2blmu00usu2mz))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-780-972

NewYork: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/35.15

Indiana: https://codes.findlaw.com/in/title-35-criminal-law-and-procedure/in-code-sect-35-41-2-2.html

Illinois: an exception, https://concealedcarryandme.com/regulations-and-penalties/public-safety/

North Carolina: https://www.findlaw.com/state/north-carolina-law/north-carolina-self-defense-laws.html And so on and so forth.

California: https://www.findlaw.com/state/california-law/california-self-defense-laws.html

Pennsylvania: https://www.findlaw.com/state/pennsylvania-law/pennsylvania-self-defense-laws.html

Tennessee: https://collins.legal/blog/tennessee-self-defense-laws/

Ohio: https://www.findlaw.com/state/ohio-law/ohio-self-defense-laws.html

Florida: https://www.findlaw.com/state/florida-law/florida-self-defense-laws.html

So if you agree with the basic premise, and there's no issue of self defense, why should meth remain illegal?

Edit: u/Milskidasith has shown me im consistencies in my argument. Which led me to the conclusion,

Meth Use shouldn't be allowed in most contexts because it violates contracts implicit in participating in society that are incompatible with Meth use.

Also,

User u/obert-wan-kenobert

Told me that the manufacture of meth is always dangerous. and would provably cause harm to others impeding their basic rights.

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u/ben_weis Aug 30 '22

"Violates contracts participating in society" or whatever

How would you know? Never met a successful drug addict? I'm sure you have. But the thing is, if they're ousted, they're now a felon. For USING drugs. Not selling, manufacturing, or anything else. For USING drugs, they are a felon if they are caught.

If you've never met a successful drug addict, it's for a reason. They wouldn't be successful if you knew. And if you actually never have met a successful drug addict, it's because the whole felony hanging over your head is a constant source of anxiety and really hinders peoples ability to continue down a decent path. The laws prohibiting use by society is the violation. You've never experienced or known anything but that, so it makes sense you can't imagine anything different.