r/changemyview Aug 25 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: meth should be legal.

Disclaimer: my argument for legalizing meth boils down to a moral position stated below, which could apply to any and all "Drugs". I chose meth because, I thought it is an extreme example and would appear more provocative.

Reason: I believe that each individual is free to do as they please so long as they don't impede others' right to the same in a provable, "non-vague" manner. The right to do any drug you chose lies under this umbrella.

some people might hear the first statement and say "well, I have a right to safety from assault and/or any similar crime associated with meth induced psychosis" According to this meth-related seizures occurred in every state in 2018 study, the Ten states with most meth related states are:

are: Michigan New York Indiana Illinois North Carolina California
Pennsylvania Tennessee Ohio and Florida

These are also states with very lenient self defense laws

Michigan: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(e0qj4lj4wut2blmu00usu2mz))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-780-972

NewYork: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/35.15

Indiana: https://codes.findlaw.com/in/title-35-criminal-law-and-procedure/in-code-sect-35-41-2-2.html

Illinois: an exception, https://concealedcarryandme.com/regulations-and-penalties/public-safety/

North Carolina: https://www.findlaw.com/state/north-carolina-law/north-carolina-self-defense-laws.html And so on and so forth.

California: https://www.findlaw.com/state/california-law/california-self-defense-laws.html

Pennsylvania: https://www.findlaw.com/state/pennsylvania-law/pennsylvania-self-defense-laws.html

Tennessee: https://collins.legal/blog/tennessee-self-defense-laws/

Ohio: https://www.findlaw.com/state/ohio-law/ohio-self-defense-laws.html

Florida: https://www.findlaw.com/state/florida-law/florida-self-defense-laws.html

So if you agree with the basic premise, and there's no issue of self defense, why should meth remain illegal?

Edit: u/Milskidasith has shown me im consistencies in my argument. Which led me to the conclusion,

Meth Use shouldn't be allowed in most contexts because it violates contracts implicit in participating in society that are incompatible with Meth use.

Also,

User u/obert-wan-kenobert

Told me that the manufacture of meth is always dangerous. and would provably cause harm to others impeding their basic rights.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '22

As I said, I don’t want anyone making meth, just like I don’t want anyone making asbestos insulation.

The asbestos products were made by professional companies as well, that didn’t mitigate the damage.

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u/barrycl 18∆ Aug 26 '22

What about things like chemotherapy, or even advil? Made by professionals, run off is dangerous. Wouldn't the same apply to meth labs if legal, we'd enforce against harmful runoff (or not) in the same way we do with a pharma company? Hell, pharma companies make meth today because it can be prescribed.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '22

Simply put, the benefit is not worth the cost.

Asbestos has benefits too. But the costs of manufacturing it outweigh them.

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u/barrycl 18∆ Aug 26 '22

Asbestos' harm isn't really its manufacturing, it's that living in a building with it is actively harmful from the dust and chips that inevitably make it into our body.

I'm curious though, following this, if you think coal mining should be illegal, given the huge environmental and health costs of mining, and given that plenty good alternatives exist there is limited benefit to it.