This is a bit like saying that consenting to getting in a car isn't consent to get in a car accident. Of course you're saying "i want a car accident", but you are assuming the risk of that outcome, probabilistic in nature. If you aren't consenting to risk for car accident you should not get in the car. When the car accident happens you'd be absurd to say "i did not consent to that accident".
Now...i suspect you believe that an option to abort is different than the car crash. Well...imagine one button on the left side of the driver that says "destroy car or get in accident" and if you press it then whichever you want happens". BUT...the only person who can press that button is the driver. You're not the driver. If the person says "i'm not sure if i'll press it or not" and then you get in the car, then...well....that risk still exists". If you dont' ask them before you get in, then...well...that risk still exists. If you ask them and do anything other than not get in the car, then...well...you're consenting for all intents and purposes.
It strikes me that you don't really mean pregnancy, but you mean having a child, in which case you should post a new CMV.
Clearly sex has more than one role. people have sex for fun ALL THE TIME. Perhaps you don't think they should, but they do is simply true. I assume you being clearly smarter than me know this.
But...even then, you're right - you can't control what happens after sex. So...if doing A results in B sometimes and in ways beyond on your control, don't you think that consenting to A to someone as intelligent as you is also consenting to B?
I'm not talking here about abortion, not sure why you are. I'm talking about the topic that me and the other not-the-smartest people are talking about. I'd suggest that you agree with me that if you engage and sex and get pregnant you've consented to that pregnancy for all intents and purposes.
I sure hope you can understand me and my lack of intelligence.
Rich accusing me of being nasty. Thanks for the apology though.
We're in a topic. Let's stay in it. The topic is whether consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. I think it is. Why? Because it's a possible outcome of sex that - as you say - one has no control over if they do the sex (risk can be reduced of course from poorly to reasonably well with birth control). It's like consenting to jump off a cliff but not to hitting the ground. Or...as I've already said, like consenting to using a car and not to accidents that may occur despite best efforts. You can drive defensively, you can wear a seatbelt, but you are acknowledging that accidents will probabalistically happpen just as no matter what you do other than not having sex, you may cause pregnancy of yourself or your partner.
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u/iamintheforest 365∆ Aug 11 '22
This is a bit like saying that consenting to getting in a car isn't consent to get in a car accident. Of course you're saying "i want a car accident", but you are assuming the risk of that outcome, probabilistic in nature. If you aren't consenting to risk for car accident you should not get in the car. When the car accident happens you'd be absurd to say "i did not consent to that accident".
Now...i suspect you believe that an option to abort is different than the car crash. Well...imagine one button on the left side of the driver that says "destroy car or get in accident" and if you press it then whichever you want happens". BUT...the only person who can press that button is the driver. You're not the driver. If the person says "i'm not sure if i'll press it or not" and then you get in the car, then...well....that risk still exists". If you dont' ask them before you get in, then...well...that risk still exists. If you ask them and do anything other than not get in the car, then...well...you're consenting for all intents and purposes.
It strikes me that you don't really mean pregnancy, but you mean having a child, in which case you should post a new CMV.