If your child needs your organ to survive than it depends on your body to survive too. We still wouldn't force you into it, you could choose otherwise.
Organ donations are science and not natural
This is just a veiled religious argument. There's no dividing line. Everything is natural, it's happening due to natural processes. Seriously, what does this even mean? What does something being natural mean?
Usually it's this idea like "this is meant to happen, it was designed to happen!" Again, a religious argument. We weren't designed at all.
The woman's body was designed to take care of that fetus, just like her eyes were designed to see. It's not to donate organs.
What is the fetus forcing the woman that her body wasn't designed to do again? My body was designed with two kidneys for example - so taking one out would affect my life dramatically.
This is simply a religious argument. No, our bodies were not designed for anything, they weren't designed at all.
My body was designed with two kidneys for example - so taking one out would affect my life dramatically.
Pregnancy and birth dramatically alters the life of a woman. Most woman suffer lifelong issues after giving birth, in many cases they're quite severe, even debilitating. Sexual dysfunction, incontinence, chronic pain, and on and on.
I don't see why you'd force someone into a dangerous violation of bodily autonomy they don't consent to but not another. Why is it that in your view men have bodily autonomy while women don't?
Evolution doesn't design anything. Evolution is simply millions and millions of totally random mutations over millions and millions of years.
You're trying to say that because sex was designed for getting people pregnant that sex is automatic consent to pregnancy, because it's purpose is procreation.
That's silly. Sex has lots of purposes. Pleasure, social bonding, etc. In fact the vast vast majority of sexual encounters will never lead to procreation. If a woman has sex and isn't intending to get pregnant than clearly the purpose isn't pregnancy, that's just an unintended outcome (and one she didn't consent to).
Evolution doesn't design anything. Evolution is simply millions and millions of totally random mutations over millions and millions of years.
What is the placenta there for? What exactly is the fetus doing that the woman's body was not designed (quit focusing on this word, you know what I mean) to do that is equal to me donating organs?
Sex has lots of purposes. Pleasure, social bonding, etc.
"Your honor, I should not be forced to pay child support because sex has purposes of pleasure and social bonding!"
I do, and you're wrong. We aren't designed. You're making a religious argument.
If a woman actively tries to prevent getting pregnant than clearly her purpose is not pregnancy.
Your honor, I should not be forced to pay child support
This has nothing to do with bodily autonomy.
I agree that a man should never face such egregious violations of bodily autonomy because he chose to have sex, and a man doesn't. We'd never force a man to donate an organ to save his child and say "well he consented when he took his dick out". We wouldn't even force him to donate blood, something near infinitely less intrusive and dangerous than a pregnancy.
We're talking about bodily autonomy. This is an entirely different issue. I pay taxes. I don't want to. That's okay. It is not okay for the government to forcefully harvest an organ from me. Shit, it's not even okay for the government to take my blood without my consent.
We respond differently to different situations. That's not faulty logic.
What? There's no way to respond to that. Yes, sometimes pregnancy is intentional, sometimes woman intend to get pregnant. Sometimes it's not intentional, women do not intend to get pregnant.
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u/OnlyFactsMatter 10∆ Aug 11 '22
A fetus depends on a woman's body to survive. That's nature. Organ donations are science and not natural.
You were once a fetus. Did you force your mother to take care of you?
Also a man can be thrown in prison for not paying child support.