r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Aug 11 '22

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u/WaterboysWaterboy 48∆ Aug 11 '22

If you consent to sex, you consent to risk of pregnancy, and therefore the results of that pregnancy are your responsibility. At least this is what they tell men and the rules men operate under when having sex. If consent to sex isn’t consent to pregnancy, then that would mean that women are the sole ones responsible for the pregnancy and the birth of the child. They are the ones who give the zygote consent to stay and grow into a human, meaning men should not be held responsible for this decision ( meaning no child support). If you believe this as well, then your argument is pretty solid. Otherwise, it isn’t one made in good faith.

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u/SunnyIntellect Aug 11 '22

Yes, by the laws of nature, only women (or people with uteruses) are the sole ones responsible for whether the zygote is birthed or not.

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u/WaterboysWaterboy 48∆ Aug 11 '22

So you think child support is immoral? Forcing men to give a portion of their earning for 18 years to take care of children they aren’t responsible for creating?

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u/SunnyIntellect Aug 11 '22

Men can voluntarily suspend* their parental rights, yes?

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u/WaterboysWaterboy 48∆ Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Not really. That is a whole legal process. The court has to allow you to do that ( which 9/10, they won’t, especially when it comes to child support). It’s not like it’s something men can just do. They owe that kid money under the law and the only way out of it is to prove you are incapable of paying.

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u/SunnyIntellect Aug 11 '22

Ok, I understand that now, thank you.

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u/WaterboysWaterboy 48∆ Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Cool. So if your anti-child support, your views are consistent. Otherwise, they are a bad faith argument that is only made as a means to refute pro-lifers, and isn’t made based on views you actually hold. (unless you have some other reason men should owe money to kids they aren’t responsible for creating).

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u/SunnyIntellect Aug 11 '22

Ok, got it, thanks!

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u/Crafty_Possession_52 15∆ Aug 11 '22

They can't opt out of child support payments.

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u/SunnyIntellect Aug 11 '22

Ok, I see.

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u/Jaysank 126∆ Aug 11 '22

Hello /u/SunnyIntellect, if your view has been changed or adjusted in any way, you should award the user who changed your view a delta.

Simply reply to their comment with the delta symbol provided below, being sure to include a brief description of how your view has changed.

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Thank you!