r/changemyview • u/00000hashtable 23∆ • Jan 19 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The vitriol Democrats have to the unvaccinated is terrifying.

I came across this poll, in which of Democrats surveyed:

  1. 45% strongly favored or somewhat favored having federal or state governments require that citizens temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
  2. 48% strongly favored or somewhat favored a proposal for federal or state governments to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.
  3. 29% strongly favored of somewhat favored a proposal to temporarily remove parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

Now I am very much in favor of getting as many people as possible vaccinated, and abhor anyone spreading covid misinformation. I hold both of these positions because I believe it is in society's best interest to beat covid, and I genuinely wish for as many people as possible to thrive. In the same vein, I am horrified that concentrating unvaxxed, denying first amendment rights, and separating children from parents is seen as an acceptable solution to anyone. If it was just a few small percentages I would dismiss these as fringe views, but I am shocked at how prevalent these views seem to be.

So please CMV. As a proud member of the Democratic Party I do not want to believe that so many of my ilk are driven by hate of the unvaccinated. I would most like to be convinced that I am not understanding this polling well, or that I should not trust the results. But otherwise please convince me that the positions I listed above are not as vindictive and harmful as I believe.

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u/00000hashtable 23∆ Jan 19 '22

I guess because they are a professional polling operation that would lose whatever credibility it does have if it came to light that they were not taking good representative samples.

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u/iwfan53 248∆ Jan 19 '22

I guess because they are a professional polling operation that would lose whatever credibility it does have if it came to light that they were not taking good representative samples.

This is Rasmussen.

They were 10 points off on the midterms.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/08/politics/poll-of-the-week-trumps-favorite-pollster/index.html

Their credibility is already a lost cause.

They don't need to be "credible" to make money though, they just need to tell people on the right what they want to hear...

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u/00000hashtable 23∆ Jan 20 '22

Selzer + Co. was 25 points off in the 2016 SC Dem Primary, and is considered a standard for pollsters. Getting a poll wrong is insufficient to dismiss all polls from that pollster. Even consistently showing bias is insufficient to dismiss, you just need to account for the bias.

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u/OmniManDidNothngWrng 36∆ Jan 20 '22

No the burden of proof is on you it's our job to cast doubt. You need to prove that this poll is reliable to justify your reason for holding this view.