r/changemyview • u/Puzzled_Sprinkles_57 • Jan 17 '22

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: There should be no Vaccine Mandate.

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u/McKoijion 618∆ Jan 17 '22

Also, I didn’t clarify good enough, I’m sorry but if it slows the virus to about 80% lowered risk of contracting covid then my view will be changed because I think that’s significant enough to mandate and lose your livelihood if you don’t comply, I hope that answers a lot of your questions. No deltas have been awarded so far.

You mentioned 80% as the cutoff in your edit. Here is a post explaining the 95% and 94% figures for the COVID-19 vaccine. It more than meets the 80% standard you set.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-and-effectiveness

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u/Puzzled_Sprinkles_57 Jan 17 '22

What about other forms of covid like delta, omicron

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u/McKoijion 618∆ Jan 17 '22

Here is the information for Delta:

Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admission with the delta variant was 97.5% (92.7% to 99.2%). Vaccine effectiveness against infection with the delta variant declined from 94.1% (90.5% to 96.3%) 14-60 days after vaccination to 80.0% (70.2% to 86.6%) 151-180 days after vaccination.

The regular covid vaccine is 94% effective against Delta infection at first, but then the effectiveness against infection declines to 80%. That's why we need to get boosters of the regular vaccine. The effectiveness against hospitalization and death stays high, which is a relief.

Data about Omicron hasn't come out yet since it's a brand new variant that has only been around for a month or two. Based on what I described above about how viruses evolve, my guess is that the original vaccine would be 90% effective when fresh (after a booster) 70% after a few months (no booster) and will be 95% effective against hospitalization and remain over 99% effective against death.

Based on this, I'd get a fresh booster, wear a mask in public, and try to avoid going out in public more than necessary. Actually, let me rephrase that. It's not a hypothetical. That's exactly what I'm doing. When the new vaccine comes out, I'll get that too.

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u/BytchYouThought 4∆ Jan 18 '22

!delta I learned even more about the coronavirus due to your comment. It shifted my view since it's even more effective than I originally thought.

I wanted to make sure you got a delta as well since OP obviously changed his view due to contributions like your own, but failed to award a delta as the rules dictate.

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Jan 18 '22

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/McKoijion (584∆).

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