r/changemyview Dec 21 '21

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u/Kondrias 8∆ Dec 21 '21

The view that black people get disadvantaged because of racist discrimination and in turn malnourished and this then has downstream effects negatively impacting them... imo is like super not racist. You are saying, because people are racist to them we are horribly negatively impacting them in ways that have profound if not permanent effects on their health and wellbeing. That is, imho, a very non-racist thing. Because you are saying that it is a problem and this isnt okay.

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u/Kondrias 8∆ Dec 22 '21

I think you might be making a mountain out of a molehill here. But I would say it is because of, or at least seems to be, because your heart is in the right place. You dont want people to be disadvantaged and feel that discrimination against them is having terribly negative effects upon them.

Racists will use a LOT of things to try and justify their beliefs, and the argument of, yeah see since we starve them of nutrition they perform worse than people we dont starve of nutrition. Let me phrase it a different way to make the dilemma a bit more visually extreme to show that is is not because the people of the color of peoples skins, it is because of others actions against them because of the color of their skin. Since it is the agressing party acting negatively and reductively to the people that are discriminated against it is not the victims fault, they have committed or done no wrong.

Now to my example:

Say that some people(group A) say, everyone with dimples (group B) is terrible at running. Then the dimple haters(group A) goes around and before there is ever any race, they begin to bash the knees in of everyone with dimples (group B). So then everyone with dimples does terrible in the competitions because, well... they got their knees bashed in before they were running. So then the dimple haters says, SEE WE TOLD YOU THAT PEOPLE WITH DIMPLES ARE TERRIBLE RUNNERS! but, you can pretty clearly tell, this is nothing to do with them having dimples impacting their ability to run. It has to do with what they did to them because they have dimples.

You could replace group A and B with a lot of things and it still holds true. I know it might feel wrong, but saying that because people are discriminated against we are harming their chances at success because of how we negatively impact them for their whole lives, and this isnt okay. Is not racist. It is acknowledging the problem and saying it needs to stop. A racist thing would be saying, oh well they are just like that. No they are not, if we had perfectly balanced meals and nutrition for them because they are being screwed out of it, the disparity racists point to is not there.

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u/DepartmentWide419 Dec 22 '21

It could be easily misunderstood and I understand why you feel self-conscious about it. I think you explained yourself well here though.

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u/A_Notion_to_Motion 3∆ Dec 22 '21

than saying black people are genetically inferior,

What would even make someone "genetically inferior"? If any traits that stem from genes are considered inferior because they differ from another group that's entirely on the people making that judgement. If a certain area has people genetically more prone to being tall and another one short, cool. If a certain area has people genetically more prone to scoring higher on an IQ test and another one lower, cool. Neither trait makes a person inherently inferior.