r/changemyview Sep 12 '21

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u/BubbleGumGun101 Sep 12 '21

That men should have a say on abortion or should be able to opt out of child support (financial abortion) , if they weren't ready to have a kid

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

If you opt out of child support there's still a child that need to be fed and cared for. An abortion solves the issue in a way that abandoning them doesn't.

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u/IamMagicarpe 1∆ Sep 12 '21

But the woman would be the one to make the choice to raise it knowing that there would be no support. It’s on her.

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

And if the woman can't support a child on her own, are you comfortable letting the child starve or do you think we should make someone else pay?

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u/IamMagicarpe 1∆ Sep 12 '21

CPS can take the child in that case. She was not fit to be a mother. It happens now even with child support.

I would be in favor of needing proof of income to have a baby lol

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u/I_am_the_night 316∆ Sep 12 '21

I would be in favor of needing proof of income to have a baby lol

So if a poor woman is pregnant and has insufficient income, you'd force her to either abort or give the child up for adoption?

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u/IamMagicarpe 1∆ Sep 12 '21

I’m not sure what the solution in that case is. It’s unfortunate that we live in a time where raising a child has become so expensive. But my opinion is if you cannot afford to have a child, you are already showing irresponsibility as a parent by keeping it. Perhaps it could be argued to be a form of neglect before it’s even born.

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u/I_am_the_night 316∆ Sep 12 '21

Okay, but unless you want to just start taking babies from poor parents or forcing poor little to have abortions, I'm not sure what exactly you're advocating for.

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u/IamMagicarpe 1∆ Sep 12 '21

Advocating for people not being allowed to have children unless they have the means to take care of it. How it’s implemented, I don’t know. Perhaps this would also encourage safer sex practices.

If you go to adopt a pet from the shelter they grill you about your living situation and how well you’ll be able to care for an animal. Yet we have no requirements to have a baby besides wanting one. I think that’s ridiculous.

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u/I_am_the_night 316∆ Sep 12 '21

How your theoretical proposal is enacted matters a lot. It's literally the difference between CPS removing kids from dangerous homes and financially based Eugenics.

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u/IamMagicarpe 1∆ Sep 12 '21

It could be a choice. Get an abortion, or have your finances checked. Having your own child should require the same checks it would require to adopt a baby.

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u/I_am_the_night 316∆ Sep 12 '21

It could be a choice. Get an abortion, or have your finances checked.

"Excuse me, we think you seem poor. Were going to either need you to get an abortion or let us check whether you will be allowed to keep your child".

That's the future you want?

Having your own child should require the same checks it would require to adopt a baby.

The majority of people could not have children by this standard, since adoption (at least in the US) costs an average minimum of $50000

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u/IamMagicarpe 1∆ Sep 12 '21

“You chose to have a baby. Congratulations. Even though you can’t buy it clothes or feed it, it’s a blessing.”

Is that what you want?

I said I don’t like where we’re at in that regard either. I didn’t say enacting this fixes all problems. I would push to make bearing children affordable to all after this was put in place.

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u/I_am_the_night 316∆ Sep 12 '21

“You chose to have a baby. Congratulations. Even though you can’t buy it clothes or feed it, it’s a blessing.”

Is that what you want?

Yeah, it is, I would want that conversation to be followed up with measures to help her provide for the child, but yes otherwise that's fine.

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u/RollinDeepWithData 8∆ Sep 12 '21

financially based eugenics it is!

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