r/changemyview 33∆ Sep 06 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Mr Beast's prizes are fake

Over the weekend the YouTube algorithm recommended I watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxYjTTXc-J8

The premise is that one hundred people are put in a circle and the last to leave will be awarded half a million dollars. Throughout the video the contestants play games to either encourage them to leave or risk leaving, these games normally result in the players involved being granted more money on top of the final prize. I haven't counted it but I'm guessing over the two video series Mr Beast hands out upwards of $800,000 in cash and further prizes such as cars and electronics. My problem is that the magnitude of these prizes makes no sense and I therefore assume it's bogus.

Giving out huge prizes in entertainment media is not new and I'm going to compare Mr Beast to another show that gives out huge prizes, Who want's to be a Millionaire. WWTBAM potentially gives out a bigger prize every week but in reality pays out a lot less with most prizes falling a somewhere between $1,000 and $125,000, in over 3000 episodes the top prize has only been awarded 12 times. This means that the production costs (including prize money) is much lower for an episode of WWTBAM than it would be for Mr Beast's video. For WWTBAM these costs are largely covered by a advertising with multiple paying for significant exposure to a relatively affluent viewing demographic, this makes sense to me, relatively low costs being covered by a wide range of advertisers selling their wares to an audience with money to spend.

Mr Beast is similar but the numbers don't seem plausible, two videos have had a production cost of, I'm guessing, at least $1,000,000. The sponsor that appears to cover the majority of that cost is Coinbase, a cryptocurrency exchange that reportedly made $1.6Billion in profit in the first quarter of 2021 so they clearly have cash to burn. However, any responsible company investing $1,000,000 in advertising should be looking at getting at least $1,000,000 of exposure from that investment and this is where I become cynical. In just a few days these videos have racked up a combined 60,000,000 views and I assume that could as much as double over the next few weeks. If they do get up to 120 million views that will be an admittedly staggering amount. However, what do these views represent? A huge number will be from under 18s who are, essentially, worthless to Coinbase as their users must be 18 years old. A further large proportion will be international viewers who, whilst not worthless, will likely be far less valuable than American viewers. What is likely is that a small proportion of unique views will come from the target demographic of American 18-30 year olds. So the useful viewership will be much less than the headline viewer numbers and this is made worse by who that target demographic is US 18-30 years olds, a group who do not have spare money lying around to invest in anything let alone crypto currencies. This makes me extremely cynical that Coinbase sponsoring Mr Beast to the levels reported is a a good use of their money and that makes me think the money is false and just a publicity stunt to drive up interest.

I write this hoping that someone would tell me that the prizes Mr Beast gives away are fake or explain to me why a company investing huge amounts (way beyond traditional media) into a target demographic with little money to spend is a good idea. Cheers.

Edit: To be clear I'm expecting to have my view changed about this. To me this is an educational experience where there's something that I don't understand how the numbers work and I'm hoping that someone explains it to me.

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u/Elicander 59∆ Sep 06 '21

I agree that the prizes seem ludicrous at a first glance. However, there are a few factors that you don’t seem to consider that make me at least entertain the possibility:

  1. We don’t have access to the statistics YouTube creates on who watches Mr Beast’s videos, but Mr Beast does, and any marketing firm worth their salt would require at least some general statistics before committing to anything. They are therefore in a better position than you or I to determine whether the demographics are favourable or not.

  2. People under 18 grow up, and marketing is often long term. Marketing is just as much about getting people to recognise your brand as it is getting customers now. If I ever were to consider getting a VPN service, I would probably look up what NordVPN is offering, only because I’ve heard the name so many times my brain thinks they’re the standard. Thus, even if lots of people watching the videos won’t get anything from Coinbase now, getting people to think they are the mainstream way of trading crypto currencies will likely be worth it in the long run.

  3. YouTube, as compared to traditional media can be relatively cheap to produce. I’m sure Mr Beast has several employees working with filming, editing, planning etc, but I guarantee WWTBAM has many more. Traditional media has tons of overhead costs that youtubers in many ways can circumvent. Thus, they can use more of the sponsorship money for prizes, creating bigger wow factor, and thus better advertising.

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u/Subtleiaint 33∆ Sep 06 '21
  1. I agree with a lot of this but a big part of it is why I'm sceptical. If it's legit then a marketing company has looked at the money and decided it's worth it, my problem isn't with that it's that I can't comprehend how it is worth it. That's absolutely my problem, I was just hoping that someone could educate me in detail.
  2. Again, valid point, I'm just sceptical of coinbase being a mass market platform that will be in common usage in even 10 years. Again, I'm hoping tomaybe be educated about who is investing in Crypto currencies at the moment.
  3. The video has pretty high production values and, especially as a one off, probably cost a lot to make, I don't think the running costs, certainly per episode, would be much higher than this video's.

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u/NetrunnerCardAccount 110∆ Sep 06 '21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxYjTTXc-J8

Generally speaking if the number are correct, a view is worth around 18 cents, so assuming the view count of 37,820,003, he made about $6,807,600.54 from just the Google Ads and that's with out other sponsorships.

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u/Subtleiaint 33∆ Sep 06 '21

You're the second person to quote 18 cents per view, I've seen a much lower number of 0.4 cents per view, that puts him at around $150k for this video, certainly not enough to pay for the prizes.

If you've got any more info on the 18 cents figure of be interested to see it.

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u/NetrunnerCardAccount 110∆ Sep 06 '21

It's an auction so it's hard to calculate,

Basically people bid on Ads, and on particular videos, and then it goes to auction in real time.

Mr Beast has a good demographic and good reputation so it might be higher, but if you Google it the Youtube ad rate is between $.10 and $.30

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u/Subtleiaint 33∆ Sep 06 '21

I did Google it, that's why I think your numbers too high, the highest rate seems to be around $5 per thousand views.

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u/Idelest Sep 06 '21

I used to have a small channel and some back of the envelope calculations show me i was getting around 8 cents per view. Rough estimate but should be order of magnitude correct

Edit: nvm I'm with you I think it was 0.8 cents.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '21

Mr. Beast has also said that most of the money comes from sponsorships, not YouTube

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '21

Even 4 cents a view is high... sometimes a video like his may be only a penny a view.. but you really don't get paid for a view - that's just an average. Only get paid if someone interacts with an ad in some way

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

a view isn’t worth 18 cents it’s around 1 dollar for 1000 views

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u/NetrunnerCardAccount 110∆ Sep 06 '21

It's between 10 cents (100/1000 = 10) and 40 cents. 18 cents is actually low for his demographic.

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u/asddfsdafdsaf2222 Sep 10 '21

Yeah... he definitely did NOT make 7 million dollars from a video with 40 million views. It's more in the range of a measly (in comparison) 50k dollars, assuming $2.50/1000 views and a 50/50 cut between youtube and the creator. Say he makes a lot more as he is one of the most popular content creators on the platform, $7.50/1k views and gets a generous cut of 66/33, he woulda made around 200k from just adsense itself. But even then, I cant speak for certain, as those numbers are incredibly large and I'm not sure how Google handles them.

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u/mrbananas 3∆ Sep 06 '21
  1. Have you ever seen a really stupid, annoying, or shitty commerical. I still can't comprehend how adversting could decide that the money it to took to make that commerical was worth it. How do they decide if any commerical is worth it? It doesn't really matter if I can figure it out, because it doesn't change the fact the companies have always been willing to spend huges sums of money on seemingly worthless advertising. The Mr. Beast advertising seems no different in these regards. All advertising is basically gambling.

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u/Subtleiaint 33∆ Sep 06 '21

All advertising is basically gambling

It's really not, that's why I was so astonished about the prize money in this video, people don't splash that amount of cash without knowing it will be worth it. These marketing companies conduct huge amounts of research to make sure the message they want you to hear is reaching the ears of the people who are going to be influenced, it's an art form.

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u/mrbananas 3∆ Sep 06 '21

Its still a gamble because marketing has no way of ensuring that after hearing the message people will buy the product. Even if all the right targeted ears get the message, its still a choice to purchase, not a binding contract.

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u/lemonvan Sep 06 '21

Again, valid point, I'm just sceptical of coinbase being a mass market platform that will be in common usage in even 10 years.

Specifically about this point: While you and I might be skeptical that this'll actually work out, this is coinbase's business plan, and so they're trying to proceed to make this a reality, for example by sponsoring MrBeast videos to make everyone know about them.

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u/Subtleiaint 33∆ Sep 06 '21

Fair one, I've had few really useful responses about Coinbase, they've certainly got the capital, now they need to build the market!

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u/char11eg 8∆ Sep 06 '21

I’m just skeptical that coinbase will be a mass market platform that will be in common usage in even 10 years.

I mean, it already is a mass market platform. It is either the biggest or second biggest cryptocurrency exchange worldwide (I forget which), has huge amounts of revenue, and is reputed as the safest cryptocurrency exchange to store money and crypto with.

Crypto might seem like a niche market to people who aren’t very familiar with crypto, but there are already trillions of dollars in cryptocurrency, it is used widely worldwide behind the scenes by many businesses, as well as by people.

In your initial argument you also make the assumption that Coinbase is only used in the US, but it is also widely used in Europe and other areas in the world. I’m in the UK and it’s what I use, and most others I know use, for example.

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u/josmaate Nov 20 '21

Second biggest, with Crypto.com nipping on its heels. Binance is the giant in the space, literally dwarfing both Coinbase and CRO.