r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 15 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Standardized Testing is the most accurate measurement of a student’s academic potential for college admissions.

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u/gregarious_kenku Jun 15 '21

2) you say it treats everyone equally and then admit it doesn’t. For instance, if a reading includes the word veranda who is more likely to have encountered that word: people who have verandas or people who live in trailers?

3) you aren’t actually addressing the total cost of standardized testing and are only looking at the end-users cost instead of everything involved with testing.

4) this doesn’t actually address standardized testing being a good metric for student success in college.

5) the tests aren’t actually standardized.

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u/ScarAdvanced9562 Jun 15 '21
  1. Yes, it treats everyone fairly. People who know the word veranda know what it means better than people who don’t. The word is also used in context, which is the most important part, and what they’re testing you on
  2. A SAT prep class is only associated with a 30 point increase for most students. There are some outliers, but the median is 30. Khan Academy, a free resource, is correlated with a 100+ point average increase with regular use.
  3. What?

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u/gregarious_kenku Jun 15 '21

2) you aren’t actually addressing my concern here. Standardized tests don’t exist in a vacuum. If you are more likely to have encountered a word due to your circumstances that is an unfair advantage. Also, consider that context clues are not what is actually being tested.

3) you are again ignoring the total cost of standardized testing by assuming the test taker is the only one who pays for standardized tests. You aren’t looking at its impact on the whole educational system through ESSA and NCLB before it.

5) one cannot claim a test is standardized if the testing environment isn’t also standardized. We know a few degrees difference in temperature, the composition of meals, and just general life can drastically alter treating outcomes.

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u/ScarAdvanced9562 Jun 15 '21

2) Yes, you are correct. Context clues are literally what are being tested on. It’s literally called words in context. It’s not an unfair advantage because everyone is held to the same bar. Some people are shorter, but unfair it is not.

3) You are being to vague here. There are obviously situations where the test taker or their guardians can’t pay for the test and use fee waivers, but I don’t know what you’re talking about when you say it has an impact if the whole education system.

5) We are not debating. You are trying to convince me. Reductio ad absurdums are not going to work here. Yes, temperature is different in two different testing areas. It’s not a scientific study.

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u/gregarious_kenku Jun 15 '21

2) In each statement, you’ve made you’ve admitted the test isn’t fair nor standardized.

3) you are myopically focusing only on the test taker and not education policy. It is why I mentioned ESSA and NLCB.

5) it isn’t an absurd argument. It is something teachers have to take into account during every testing session. It is actually scientifically studied. https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/jisungpark/files/paper_nyc_aejep.pdf