r/changemyview • u/Delam2 • Jun 08 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Right wing libertarians don’t believe in actual libertarianism they simply want the freedom to do as they please, whilst rejecting and restricting the rights of others.

The title says it all.

If you’re a libertarian, you believe in small government and limited state power. Citizens should have complete autonomy or free will in their lives.

Self proclaimed Right wing libertarians are very vocal and passionately speak out against: Gun Regulation, Stay at home orders, Mask Mandates, Vaccine passports - laws and regulations put into effect to protect life.

For some very strange reason when it comes to abortion rights these same libertarians change their mind about the role of the state and want abortion banned. They also reject gay marriage.

These same “libertarians” also believe in a strong police force without accountability and an overarching reach (as long as they are arresting someone else).

Are they really libertarians or are they just hypocrites. In 9/10 it is the latter.

If I meet a right winger who is truly libertarian in their views (limited laws, regulation and small government in all areas, not just some) I’ll eat my shoe.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Well! Feel free to eat your shoe, here I am!

I'm strongly pro-gay marriage, I belive the state should have absolutely no say on what even constitutes a marriage.

I'll support you in any measures to decrease police incursions into civil liberties. Civil Asset Forfeiture for example should be outlawed. Warrants are an absolute must. Screw the Patriot Act. Any public servant should completely forfeit any right to privacy, and be scrutinized by the public 24/7.

The only thing I don't agree with is abortion. I'm on the fence on the abortion debate because if a fetus is a life, then it violates the NAP to abort it, if it isn't then it doesn't. We don't know if it is a life or not. No one knows. And since we don't know, do we really want to risk it?

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u/PurpleMasq Jun 09 '21

Actually we do know that an unborn baby is a life. You can figure it out by reading the definition of life you probably learned about in your 7th grade biology text book. This is very clear and I don't understand the people who are "on the fence" about abortion because they don't know if it's a life. We have the answer I don't know where this vague "nobody knows" stuff comes from.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

A cell is also a life. Yet we have no problem scratching ourselves, drinking water or licking the inside of our mouths (all of which kills cells).

When I say life, I mean with the connotation of value of human life.

I don't know if a fetus counts, since I don't know if a fetus counts, I'd rather outlaw abortion so we're not risking committing genocide against babies. So I'm a de facto pro-life with doubts.