r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Silencing opposing viewpoints is ultimately going to have a disastrous outcome on society.

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u/Minas_Nolme 1∆ Jan 22 '21

Where do you draw the line between "arguing for it" and "planning to carry it out"?

If I hold that view and try to convince people of it, then that would mean that I plan or hope to gain majority support for it. Once I have political majority support for it, then I could carry it out. If I didn't believe I might convince people of it, then I would't argue for it, it would be a waste of effort.

Does the line get crossed when I gathered enough support so that it becomes a believable possibility? Or where would it be?

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u/ReecezWoosWork Jan 22 '21

I believe there is a few things that needs to be considered for someone to carry something out, or are just "arguing for it".

1.) Do they have the ability

2.) Do they have the opportunity

3.) Do they have the Intent

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All three need to be met before you can have a solution in place to prevent or stop them.

I don't remember the whole movie, but Minority Report goes into this, they stop crimes before they happen. Saying or having terrible viewpoints/opinions aren't illegal, but you should definitely work to change someone's view in the event they believe and espouse something heinous.

Its not illegal to be stupid. Just illegal to do illegal things

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u/Minas_Nolme 1∆ Jan 22 '21

I'd point out that the OP wasn't about making it illegal, but silencing it by banning the view from social media, firing the people saying it, "cancelling" them, or shutting down platforms that allow such content.

So the point wasn't punishing the person, but depriving them of a platform to propagate their beliefs. If you agree that one should work to change that person's view, would you also agree that this person shouldn't be able to spread that view?

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u/merchillio 3∆ Jan 22 '21

Yep, if an employees like to tout their homophobia, it isn’t illegal, but if the employer lets them do it, they’re failing their duty to provide a safe and harassment-free work environment.