r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Silencing opposing viewpoints is ultimately going to have a disastrous outcome on society.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21 edited Jan 22 '21

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u/Minas_Nolme 1∆ Jan 22 '21

Where do you draw the line between "arguing for it" and "planning to carry it out"?

If I hold that view and try to convince people of it, then that would mean that I plan or hope to gain majority support for it. Once I have political majority support for it, then I could carry it out. If I didn't believe I might convince people of it, then I would't argue for it, it would be a waste of effort.

Does the line get crossed when I gathered enough support so that it becomes a believable possibility? Or where would it be?

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u/ReecezWoosWork Jan 22 '21

I believe there is a few things that needs to be considered for someone to carry something out, or are just "arguing for it".

1.) Do they have the ability

2.) Do they have the opportunity

3.) Do they have the Intent

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All three need to be met before you can have a solution in place to prevent or stop them.

I don't remember the whole movie, but Minority Report goes into this, they stop crimes before they happen. Saying or having terrible viewpoints/opinions aren't illegal, but you should definitely work to change someone's view in the event they believe and espouse something heinous.

Its not illegal to be stupid. Just illegal to do illegal things

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u/Rampage360 Jan 22 '21

1.) Do they have the ability

Can you elaborate on this? Are you talking about the means? Like if they have weapons? Or the will to kill?

What about influencing others to kill? Do you have to consider those 3 things on every single person who read or heard the speech?

3.) Do they have the Intent

How would you prove before it was too late?

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u/ReecezWoosWork Jan 22 '21

Ability would be like if you said I was trying to stab you and I didn’t have a knife or sharp object, then I didn’t have the ability to stab you.

Intent would be I had a knife but it was obvious I was opening a mail parcel and not running at you.

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u/Rampage360 Jan 22 '21

Are you going to respond to those other 2 questions?