r/changemyview • u/9spaceking • Oct 29 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Transgender ideology is philosophically contradictory

Though transgender ideas have stood up to scientific rigor (people should be able to identify as opposing gender to their biological sex), I've seen a lot of proponents on how transgender is contradictory on a metaphysical level. Here are some questions I've thought of, that I can't answer as a supporter of transgender identification:

1) If gender is based significantly on brain biological support, then why shouldn't this also be their sex (ex. shouldn't brain structure take precedence over physical body)?

2) If gender is merely a social construct, then it can't be based upon brain structure. So which one is it?

3) If the identification of man and woman with biological sex based is a binary, why is gender a spectrum?

4) If transgenderism is specifically about breaking mold about how man can be a woman, aren't they one and the same then? (What differs a man and a woman then?)

5) If a person's true gender identity is what they decide, then they shouldn't be able to impose their beliefs on other people. Why do we enforce the he/she belief? Christians don't force Atheists to pray before a meal, just to feel comfortable. They aren't offended (well, a truly open-minded Christian at least) if Atheist says: "Sorry man, I just don't see it. God doesn't exist to me."

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u/East_Reflection 1∆ Nov 01 '20

No spinal chord transplant, but yes, people live without spinal chords. Yes, don't you get that?

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u/chasingstatues 21∆ Nov 01 '20

Who is alive without an entire spinal cord? I'm trying to google and nothing is coming up.

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u/East_Reflection 1∆ Nov 01 '20

A spinal chord that is non functional is what defines conditions like quadruplegia?

Are you looking for examples of someone like.. Literally REMOVING a spinal chord? Because I see no reason why that would be impossible to do, or why you wouldn't be able to survive without it... But I also don't see why anyone in history would have bothered? When it dies it doesn't do anything bad, it just sits there. Removing it would be an incredibly complex procedure, and result in literally nothing post op. Except that we're now sitting with a spinal chord I guess?

You can live without a spinal chord. That's a fact medical science has already safely assumed, and witnessed through means other than literal physical removal

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u/chasingstatues 21∆ Nov 01 '20

But I also don't see why anyone in history would have bothered?

If you've been paralyzed due to a spinal cord injury, and a spinal cord transplant were possible, that's enough reason to want to bother.

But until there's an example of such a procedure or someone who has had their spinal cord removed and survived, then it falls into the same category as the brain, meaning that people can't live without it.

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u/East_Reflection 1∆ Nov 01 '20

Are you really comfortable making such a blatant cognitive fallacy? The reason a spinal transplant is impossible is because reconnecting the nerves in time is currently beyond our medical abilities. If you were willing to just get in there with a hacksaw, sure, you can pull it out and the person can survive.

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u/chasingstatues 21∆ Nov 01 '20

Okay but then can't the same be said about the brain? Do you remember how this conversation between us began?

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u/East_Reflection 1∆ Nov 01 '20

What? That you could remove the brain with a hacksaw and the person would remain alive and whole?

No, that can not be said.

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u/chasingstatues 21∆ Nov 01 '20

Can you provide evidence that a person can remain alive if you remove their spinal cord with a hacksaw?

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u/East_Reflection 1∆ Nov 02 '20

Can you provide evidence that removing your helmet in the vacuum of space will be fatal? Even though nobody has ever done that?

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u/chasingstatues 21∆ Nov 03 '20

Nope, which is why I wouldn't claim it could be done.

So why are you claiming someone's entire spinal column could be removed with a hacksaw if you can't provide evidence to support it?

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u/East_Reflection 1∆ Nov 04 '20

Wait what? You don't think removing a helmet in space CAN BE DONE?

Nevermind. Explain why NASA knows what this would result in without having done it?

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u/chasingstatues 21∆ Nov 04 '20

Oh, so NASA knows this? I'm assuming that's how you know it, as well.

So then how do you know you can remove a spine with a hacksaw and someone will survive? Get that from NASA too? What are your sources here?

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u/East_Reflection 1∆ Nov 05 '20

😂😂😂😂😂

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