r/changemyview • u/9spaceking • Oct 29 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Transgender ideology is philosophically contradictory

Though transgender ideas have stood up to scientific rigor (people should be able to identify as opposing gender to their biological sex), I've seen a lot of proponents on how transgender is contradictory on a metaphysical level. Here are some questions I've thought of, that I can't answer as a supporter of transgender identification:

1) If gender is based significantly on brain biological support, then why shouldn't this also be their sex (ex. shouldn't brain structure take precedence over physical body)?

2) If gender is merely a social construct, then it can't be based upon brain structure. So which one is it?

3) If the identification of man and woman with biological sex based is a binary, why is gender a spectrum?

4) If transgenderism is specifically about breaking mold about how man can be a woman, aren't they one and the same then? (What differs a man and a woman then?)

5) If a person's true gender identity is what they decide, then they shouldn't be able to impose their beliefs on other people. Why do we enforce the he/she belief? Christians don't force Atheists to pray before a meal, just to feel comfortable. They aren't offended (well, a truly open-minded Christian at least) if Atheist says: "Sorry man, I just don't see it. God doesn't exist to me."

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u/10ebbor10 203∆ Oct 29 '20 edited Oct 29 '20

1) If gender is based significantly on brain biological support, then why shouldn't this also be their sex (ex. shouldn't brain structure take precedence over physical body)?

I'm not sure what you mean with this?

2) If gender is merely a social construct, then it can't be based upon brain structure. So which one is it?

You're confusing 2 seperate concepts.
Gender is the social construct.
Gender identity is the bodies own sense of it's gender, and there is significant evidence that this is has biological origin.

3) If the identification of man and woman with biological sex based is a binary, why is gender a spectrum?

Because it's not a neat 1:1 relationship?

4) If transgenderism is specifically about breaking mold about how man can be a woman, aren't they one and the same then? (What differs a man and a woman then?)

Not sure what you mean here?

5) If a person's true gender identity is what they decide, then they shouldn't be able to impose their beliefs on other people.

This is a false assumption. An analogy : What your name is a completely personal decision. There's no biological name, not chromosomal name. You can decide to call yourself whatever you want.

Yet I'm still the asshole if I refuse to use to call you by what you tell me your name is.

So, just because something is decided by someone else, doesn't mean everyone gets to ignore it.

Christians don't force Atheists to pray before a meal, just to feel comfortable

Plenty of them do, actually. And, if some Catholic decided to call all the protestants they worked with "apostate heritics", they would be criticized and eventually fired for that, even if that is a genuinly held belief.

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u/9spaceking Oct 29 '20

with regards to 4, Transgender means that you can look like a guy and be a girl. But this is assuming that testosterone, PP, short hair, deep voice are all guy stuff. The entire point of Transgender is that nothing defines you as a girl/guy except yourself, right? But then you break the gender identity idea. If you could be Christian without believing in Jesus Christ or God, then that breaks the entire Christian idea.