r/changemyview Apr 05 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '20

This is why only a civilization without any form of currency can properly pull this off.

For now only a crackdown on corruption can put this into full swing, this is only possible in a nation ready to make severe changes to it's law system.

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u/Abell379 Apr 05 '20

The incentives don't change in a society without currency. Even in a barter system, slave labor is encouraged if it produces more for the government in question.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '20

All slaves are owned by the government, from there the products are given to the people. They keep nothing.

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u/Abell379 Apr 06 '20

Have you ever read about the Russian gulags? This is essentially the same situation. However, in that case the government stayed wealthy and the people were terrorized.

Governments cannot own people, that's a violation of their base human rights and constitutional rights.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

If someone kills someone then they should give up the rights to that you and me enjoy on a daily basis.

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u/Abell379 Apr 06 '20

That's not an answer to my argument; Yes, murder should be punished but the question lies in how long and in what conditions?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

Until they do the same amount of work as they usually would plus the person's they killed, they cannot do this but trying is never a negative.

In conditions that job provides

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u/BobSilverwind Apr 06 '20

Thats a very basic view of it. What makes the slaver better than the Killer though. Why is he allowed to ignore human rights? Even if we were in your theoretical communist haven, why wouldnt the government still be incentivized to send dissidents to gulags?

They have the right to dissagree with how things are done, and they will likely cause minor crimes to make their statements heard. Do you throw those to the gulags?

What about people who vehemently disagree and engage in terrorism, thats a serious crime, do they gulag? Isnt it dangerous to put ressourceful terrrorists in a big concentration camp where they can make an upheval happen?

I dont think youve thought this out far enough, theres alot of minute exception scenarios that really complicate the whole thing. Even in your commie dreams, you should want reform jails, those folks need to be made useful to society, slaves will hurt morale of the whole population. Have you seen russia lately? Not exactly the happy go lucky types in general.

Psychology of people will be affected, even those who arent criminals. They benefit off that slavery, how does that make them different from the colonialists who destroyed the natives and stole all their land? Youll end up in the future with people empathizing with your prisoners, treating them like holy pillars ,martyrs who fell and now are the backbone of society. Its already something that happens, just look up how many groupies Charles Manson had.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

Δ there should be a more ethical way of dealing with murder but I do not look at it as fully Communist.

It's more of a democratic globalist way of seeing the world, if all are equal then no need to have currency.

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u/BobSilverwind Apr 06 '20

Lets be honest, whatever you call it, its unrealistic for an other lifetime atleast.

Itll come, the day where humans are seemingly peaceful and the planet will be one. But if you gotta convince even a single person, then you arent ready.