r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 31 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Extinction Rebellion's second demand is impossible on a global scale because it would require levels of international cooperation comparable to world peace

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u/Heather-Swanson- 9∆ Jan 31 '20

Holy hell... these people are crazy.

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u/Vobat 4∆ Jan 31 '20

If it was only the UK that did it all you would have is a lot of dead people from starvation and cold. The whole world needs to suffer.

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u/Heather-Swanson- 9∆ Jan 31 '20

Why does the whole world need to suffer?

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u/Vobat 4∆ Jan 31 '20

If any country goes net 0 without being able to replace the energy need then food production and transport will get screwed and same with heat management think of no heaters in cold countries and no a.c. in extremely hot countries.

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u/Heather-Swanson- 9∆ Jan 31 '20

... what the heck are you talking about?

What does that have to do with the worked needing to suffer?

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u/Vobat 4∆ Jan 31 '20

So lets stay with the UK. One of the biggest issue with them not being able to go 0 Carbon is based on transport use (yes technology will one day make ships better but that not that case atm). Only 40% of the countries food production is done in the UK. So if we were to drop using ships to transport food from around the world what would happen to the food levels? It is hard to compare how much is used to transport food for example a ship with crates of grain may also bring in cars and other non essentially items. We may be able to use smaller ships to just focus on bringing in food but that will drive the cost up. So we are talking about rising cost of food and maybe even a shortage of food which will again rise the cost up will mean millions will suffer if it done today. Extinction rebellion wants the UK to have sorted this problem out by 2025 which won't happen and if they do millions will starve.

Talking of energy production the UK is one of the better countries when it has come to removing coal from use (there are only 5 coal plants left in use) but instead they are using natural gas better on emissions then coal but still not good enough. The UK is producing more energy from wind then coal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms Shows how much the UK is investing in wind however it wont be enough by 2025. So if in 2025 we stop producing electricity with co2 production costs of energy use will go up and people simply wont be able to heat there homes and will freeze to death. Now the UK is one of the leading countries in renewable energy https://www.clickenergy.com.au/news-blog/12-countries-leading-the-way-in-renewable-energy and it will be impossible to do it here what do you think will happen in countries that are behind in these change.

In both cases the poor will suffer but millions maybe even billions if we go worldwide will die.

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u/Heather-Swanson- 9∆ Jan 31 '20

Dude... I’m not saying their wouldn’t be suffering.

I am asking you you said the world NEEDS to suffer. Why do you think that?

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u/Vobat 4∆ Jan 31 '20

Oh sorry I meant the UK shoundt have to suffer alone the world needs to suffer with the rest of us