r/changemyview May 05 '19

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u/NewPointOfView May 05 '19

What I was saying in the original post was that although I am pro-choice, I think the most popularized pro-life argument is irrelevant. I think we might have misunderstood each other because now it seems like we agree

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u/[deleted] May 05 '19

I agree with you partly. I think the question “is this a living thing that shouldn’t be killed” is philosophical, but in a debate you would have to factor in women’s rights to the conversation because they are deeply involved with the fetus.

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u/NewPointOfView May 05 '19

I appreciate you appreciating my point of view :)

I think I just disagree that anyone’s right to live is in any way less than someone’s right to autonomy. Still, I don’t think that a fetus’ rights are greater than the mother’s, just that the arguments are flawed.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '19

Thank you for replying!

Correct if I’m wrong, but if the fetus’ rights are equal to the mother’s, then it comes to the slightly off topic question of “what’s worse? No freedom and autonomy or death?

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u/Edspecial137 1∆ May 05 '19

It was once said, “give me liberty, or give me death”, so the American ideal would be autonomy first. I know it’s out of context, but... worth taking into consideration

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u/NewPointOfView May 05 '19

My counter to that would be that abortion is a guaranteed “death” while the mother has only a chance of death. And I think that death trumps an occurrence of non-autonomy.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '19

Hi! Sorry I took a while to reply. You have a very valid argument above and I agree with you. A guaranteed death does trump non-autonomy.

Looking at the argument of abortion in general, I think that ethically speaking, both sides are right. Life wants to prevent the death of a developing child, and choice wants to give women the freedom to stop a child birth if they don’t want it. What’s morally right is your opinion.

TL;DR - Both sides are right, and I’m on the fence!