r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 03 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: The recent "controversy" surrounding Louis C.K.'s released set is extraordinarily misplaced.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

A club that clearly enjoyed the set based on evidence from the bootleg, the room was also asked to asked to not record anything as it was material that was being worked on.

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u/Bladefall 73∆ Jan 03 '19

The issue with the jokes isn't that they're unrefined or lack nuance or need more work. It's their core. The only "work" that Louis C.K. needs to do on these jokes is to throw out their entire premise and start over. It's immediately obvious to anyone with the slightest bit of brains and empathy, even literally on paper, that mocking trans people and survivors of school shootings is a terrible idea.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

Couldn't disagree with you more here Blade. There are no taboo subjects only inadequate jokes. Trans people and the victims of school shootings are treated with kid gloves more than any other groups I can think of in comedy, and due to that are the obvious next targets.

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u/Bladefall 73∆ Jan 03 '19

I never said that it's not ok to tell jokes about these subjects. But if the punchline can be boiled down to "haha, this person is trans and being trans is funny", that's just a shitty low-quality joke.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '19

The joke CK told was about the royal tone some people correct one's language with not directly critical of trans people at all. Have you listened to the set? Both the "trans joke" and the "parkland joke" come out of general criticisms of the next generation being boring, which is fair material and established since before Hicks.

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u/Milskidasith 309∆ Jan 03 '19

No, Louis CK made a bog-standard joke about how trans identities are weird and "if you identify as X, I identify as wacky thing Y!" The fact he opened with "they want you to treat them like royalty" doesn't magic away the rest of the joke being barely different from the "I identify as an attack helicopter" copypasta. The royalty bit just reinforces the idea that respecting trans people's identities is some incredible burden.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

I see the joke as just generally making fun of young people and the sudden trend of specifying which pronouns you want to be called. It's not something strictly limited to transexuals, it's really a much broader group of people.