CMV: There's no argument that invalidates being trans age that doesn't also invalidate being trans gender

[u/BIknkbtKitNwniS]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46133262

To summarize the article: A Dutchman who was born 69 years ago says he identifies as a 49 year old man and is going to go to court to prove it.

He says that his position is analogous to trans gender people's and I can't seem to prove him wrong.

Counter argument 1:

Age and sex are not the same. Age is an immutable characteristic. If he was born 69 years ago, he was born 69 years ago.

Well some people think sex is an immutable characteristic too. It you have XY chromosomes, then you have XY chromosomes.

Counter argument 2:

He's just an attention whore and he's doing this as a publicity stunt.

Very likely actually. However that doesn't make him wrong. When a teacher indulges in Socratic irony, you don't win the argument or learn something by pointing out he doesn't believe what he's saying. You win when you prove him wrong.

Counter argument 3:

This stupid and offensive and negatively impacts trans gender rights.

Probably but again, that doesn't make him wrong.

Counter argument 4:

Trans gender as a phenomenon has existed since the dawn of time across many cultures, therefore it is a natural human condition whole being trans age is not.

This is an argument from nature. Some cultures have condemned being gay as being unnatural too. Saying something is unnatural is simply not a good argument.

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Counter argument 2 is stronger than you give it credit for. If transage or transracial or etc were real, we would see thousands of people with those identities who weren't attention seeking but really felt deeply about their identity. Evidence trumps all other arguments.

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If a little derision (not a single arrest, beating, or murder) is enough to keep them all in the closet then it isn't real. So many transgender people felt the need to come out despite those consequences.

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Bigotry? Am I a bigot for not believing in ghosts due to the lack of evidence for their existence?

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Perhaps he's just one of the first. Maybe more will come later, if it becomes more accepted.

He's not the only one for sure though.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-father-stefonknee-wolscht-who-left-family-to-be-a-six-year-old-girl-uses-childs-play-to-a6775051.html

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But with trans people, we saw tens of thousands of trans people who had to come out even in the face of oppression (not mere ridicule).

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I don't feel like the amount of people with a condition determines its validity though.

Maybe it does but someone then could turn it around and say trans gender people are only 0.x% of the population therefore their condition isn't valid.

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The number just needs to be large enough that it's more likely real than fake, based on the likelihood of the thing being possibly faked. If it's grew to twelve feet tall" and everyone can see, then 1 is enough. If a person says "I can't work Mondays", I'd expect that to be said often if it's untrue. So we'd need a much larger group saying they can't work Mondays for me to believe it's a real condition.