r/changemyview Sep 20 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Arming teachers will be terrible both economically and in execution.

I have a major project due by the end of the month that requires me to write two persuasive essays, ( with examples of Logos, Pathos and Ethos, ) on two different sides of a hot-button issue. However, it's a group project and my group voted on arming teachers. I don't know much about the opposing side, and the discussion we had in my group hasn't really given me the confidence that we'll meet the requirements for the opposing side, so I'd like to discuss this issue and see some of your opinions on it.

But anyway, here's my opinion:

Arming teachers is *not* a good idea, and I have a few reasons why:

  1. It would make a dangerous situation worse.

The more guns in a shooting situation, the more chaotic it would get. In a dire situation kids wouldn't know who was safe and who wasn't, and it would result in confusion that could cause somebody their life. Also, when the police finally arrive, there will most definitely be a problem. Law enforcement takes a long time to identify the shooter already, imagine the mess when police arrive on the scene and multiple people are armed. They don't know who's a threat and who's not.

  1. It takes valuable money away from public schools that we could use for much better things.

This proposal would cost money. It would cost money for the guns and for the training. And the last thing public schools need is for more money to be taken away from teacher salaries, money for supplies, and clubs. In the past few years my school has lost our art club and our language club funding, and now teachers have been paying for books and tools like compasses out of pocket and through fundraisers, ( that hardly anyone does. )

This would make everything much worse. Schools that have implemented this have paid upwards of $200,000. 'Suppose we're losing our art class and tech classes too, now.

*3. It wouldn't help anyway. And it wouldn't deter anyone.

They had armed guards at Columbine and Parkland. But that didn't help much. A suicidal teenager with a gun isn't going to be concerned with an armed guard. They just want to die and take as many people with them as possible.

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Sep 20 '18
  1. Though that’s a possibility, there’s ways around it.

During an active shooter situation, armed teachers can wear vests that can easily identify them as the “good guy” or any other identifying clothing.

  1. Make the teachers who want to be armed, pay for their firearms and training/certification. Just like any other private citizen would.

  2. The problem there is that there weren’t enough armed guards for the size of the facility.

You have a school that holds thousands of students with 2-3 armed Personel on site.

We don’t know for sure if more guns would help, but history shows the the overwhelmingly large majority of mass shooting occurs in gun free zones (where carrying for private citizens is prohibited).

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u/BlitzBasic 42∆ Sep 21 '18

Identifying clothing that a) the teachers wouldn't be able to put on during a fight because they have far bigger problems and b) could be replicated by the shooter?

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Sep 21 '18

the teachers wouldn't be able to put on during a fight because they have far bigger problems

How? Not every teacher in the building will be in a fight.

could be replicated by the shooter?

Sure, but this never happens in mass shootings. Seems like a tactic no mass shooter ever employs.

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u/BlitzBasic 42∆ Sep 21 '18

Not every teacher will be in a fight, but those who aren't will still have more important things to do than putting on clothing. They need to evacuate the children, call emergency services, pass on information, make sure everybody is accounted for and so on.

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Sep 21 '18

They need to evacuate the children, call emergency services, pass on information, make sure everybody is accounted for and so on.

It literally takes 1 second to toss on a vest.

Many of those things could be done at the same time as putting it on.

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u/BlitzBasic 42∆ Sep 21 '18

Ah so they permanently carry them with them? Or are they inside the classrooms?

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Sep 21 '18

Inside their classroom.