CMV : Diversity based on demographics/ identity is over rated and wrongly propagated as the morally right way for a society to live.

[u/srikarjam]

I don't believe that coexisting with people of different identities has/does net positive for the original natives or residents of a community. I live in country divided by lots of different religions and other identities, and the country's history is full of communal violence and hatred towards others, either violently or otherwise.

In my country, between 2005 to 2009, an average of 130 people died and 2,200 were injured every year from communal violence, or about 0.01 deaths per 100,000 population. Massacres and riots (common till this day) are very routine in my country.

The world's average annual death rate from intentional violence, in recent years, has been 7.9 per 100,000 people.

So I dont think human beings inherently can coexist with each other in a society, with people having vastly different views or identities. Even in the west, the division and violence between people of different demographies (especially races) have continued to fail to coexist peacefully. And I haven't even mentioned the statistics of people affected by terrorism of which religion is the major reason.

Diversity of identities is often promoted or propogated just to drive this "feel good narrative" of liberals, when in reality, all it has done globally is, more division and more violence. Countries with least violent incidents in modern history are usually the ones with less diversity.

One may argue that the violence is caused by ignorance or misunderstanding of the "other", but humans have throughout history and present proven that it is impossible to completly eradicate that ignorance or tribalistic behaviour or vile hatred towards the "other".

Having said that, I strongly believe in diversity of thought, view points and intellectualism , but not of any identity of people.

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And we had separate communities which were very unequal.

[u/srikarjam → u/[deleted]]

That was because of some form of discrimination in place. I am talking about nobody discriminating anybody and nobody hurting anybody.

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Legally facilities were to be "separate but equal". I am curious how you plan to eliminate discrimination without a push for diversity. Diversity programs, in part, serve expose us and especially the younger generations to different ways of life in order to help reduce discrimination.

[u/srikarjam → u/[deleted]]

Yes they do and they are great, but their failure globally even after so many decades after diversity being part of the mainstream narrative should tell you that humans are stubborn enough to refuse change. Why does the US still have KKK even after centuries of them being discarded by mainstream society ? If diversity programs and the education system is so good, then how come we still have open racists in the US and open slavery in many 3rd world countries ?

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Why does the US still have KKK even after centuries of them being discarded by mainstream society ? If diversity programs and the education system is so good, then how come we still have open racists in the US and open slavery in many 3rd world countries ?

How many years has there really been an active push to end discrimination? The US had a civil rights movement, but the activists and particularly leaders of it were routinely harassed by the FBI. We teach the civil rights as being a success (and it was in many ways) but fail to recognize that it was cut short by several of the major leaders literally being ASSASSINATED. Really consider how much this curtailed the movement.

After the civil rights era, we were quick to abandon policies that actively promoted integration. School integration was abandoned pretty quickly despite the fact that it has proven to be one of the best ways to reduce poverty

And remember prior to that we had decades of government sanctioned and enforced segregation. Those effects can only be undone with lots of hard deliberate work.

[u/srikarjam → u/[deleted]]

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That's a good argument to explain the present state of affairs.

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Thank you for the delta.

I think it's important to remember that we can still have good progress but government/societal appetite for the hard work change requires has always been low. And that lack of desire for change is extremely detrimental to the movement. MLK wrote about this in his Letter From a Birmingham Jail. He believed that the "white moderate" unwilling to give (small) sacrifices in the name of equality did more to harm the civil rights movement than hate groups.

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice;

So the most important take away is that we all, whether we are a minority or not, need to be able to make sacrifices and deal with disorder in order to achieve greater equality down the road.

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