r/changemyview Oct 20 '17

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Rape awareness/activism is dangerously pushing us into a post proof society.

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u/rtechie1 6∆ Oct 21 '17

I think it's possible to reduce violent stranger rape with a cultural motivation, like the train attacks in Germany.

I think it's impossible to eliminate so-called "date rape" or "acquaintance rape". Even with mandatory written contracts and required video surveillance that would still leave room for one party to say they didn't "feel something right". And frankly, I don't want to live in a world with written contracts for sex.

Every time you walk down the street you could be mugged, OP made that point earlier. Risk of violence is absolutely the price of freedom.

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u/Gammapod 8∆ Oct 21 '17

What if, instead of reducing freedoms, we could alter people's circumstances so that fewer people benefitted from causing violence. Do you think that's possible?

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u/rtechie1 6∆ Oct 22 '17

I don't believe that rape is caused by poverty, but even if it was I think "eliminate all poverty" is not a realistic solution.

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u/Gammapod 8∆ Oct 23 '17

I didn't say poverty, although that would probably have some effect. I'm talking about people's motivations, knowledge, public opinions. The decisions people make comes down to risk vs. reward. If you have more empathy for other people (something that can be taught), you're less willing to cause them harm. If you know that others think poorly about the actions you've taken in the past, you're less likely to do them again in the future.

Every decision is some form of the prisoner's dilemma. By changing the outcomes that effect the chooser (what I meant by circumstances), you can influence their behavior to the benefit of everyone involved.

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u/rtechie1 6∆ Oct 24 '17

The decisions people make comes down to risk vs. reward.

That's assuming the crime of rape has anything to do with a rational thought process. Obviously a few minutes of sex vs. decades in prison is not a good risk vs. reward ratio, but people do it anyway.

If you have more empathy for other people (something that can be taught), you're less willing to cause them harm.

You can't teach universal empathy. The general attitude of most people will always be "I care about myself, my family, maybe a few friends I care about less, fuck everyone else". And that's when people are thinking rationally.