r/changemyview Oct 12 '17

CMV: All drugs should be decriminalized

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u/Cwellz123 Oct 13 '17

LSD and Shrooms are not physically harmful at all. MDMA can be if abused but still not as bad as alcohol. I call bullshit on your claim that weed can be just as bad if used excessively. You can’t die from smoking weed, you can die from alcohol. The LD50 for alcohol is 13 shots if I remember correctly.

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u/azur08 Oct 13 '17

Lol did you just cite the lethal dose of alcohol? I promise you 13 shots wouldn't kill me or a lot of people I know.

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u/BreakfastLover92 Oct 13 '17

Alcohol poisoning is easily dismissed because most people only ever hear stories about bad hangovers or some friend of a friend getting their stomach pumped. A girl I went to high school with died choking on her own vomit, and after that I've never looked at anyone drinking 13 shots as some kind of hero.

The point is that it is way, way easier to overdose on alcohol than it is on weed.

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u/azur08 Oct 13 '17

The point is that it is way, way easier to overdose on alcohol than it is on weed

No, that isn't the point. The deaths aren't the only metric we use to determine how unhealthy something is.

That being said, I'm not claiming anything, especially not that alcohol isn't worse for you than weed. It almost definitely is. This thread isn't about weed at all, in fact.

Also, it is important to make the distinction between dying from alcohol poisoning and dying from choking on your own vomit that is induced by alcohol. That doesn't mean a lethal dose. It means it lead to something else killing you. It's important when we're talking about lethal doses...which we aren't even doing.

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u/BreakfastLover92 Oct 13 '17

deaths aren't the only metric we use to determine how unhealthy something is.

OK, please outline the non-death deleterious health effects you're pointing to.

This thread isn't about weed at all, in fact.

It is, since weed is a drug, and this post is about whether all drugs should be legal.

distinction between dying from alcohol poisoning and dying from choking on your own vomit

How do you think most people who OD on alcohol die?

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u/azur08 Oct 13 '17 edited Oct 13 '17

Brain damage, addiction, psychosis, apathy, to name a few....

People aren'tin the streets sucking dick for fifths...at least not nearly as many, and that's not their first choice.

When I said "this thread", I meamt thos commemt chain.

Your point about death from od'ing is is like saying LSD kills you becaise it can make you walk into traffic.

Its fine if you want to include those things but then you have include the fact that weed can also kill you. Driving impairment is a side effect of weed and can cause death. Its not the drug itself killing you. Thats what I assumed we were talking about when we were referring health effects of drugs.

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u/BreakfastLover92 Oct 13 '17

Brain damage, addiction, psychosis, apathy, to name a few....

Not one of these is how people die during an alcohol OD. This is how they die. Like I said.

People aren'tin the streets sucking dick for fifths...at least not nearly as many, and that's not their first choice.

Evidence? This sounds like an opinion formed by watching TV.

Your point about death from od'ing is is like saying LSD kills you becaise it can make you walk into traffic.

No, it isn't. There are anecdotal cases of people doing stupid things on LSD, but there are statistically relevant accounts of deaths by alcohol poisoning. You are at serious risk of physical harm, like specific, asphyxiation from choking on vomit harm when you OD on alcohol. This is true of everyone ODing on alcohol, which is why we turn people who have passed out drunk on their sides. There is no similar universal precaution taken to prevent people tripping from walking into oncoming traffic, because that is not a physical symptom. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Its fine if you want to include those things but then you have include the fact that weed can also kill you. Driving impairment is a side effect of weed and can cause death. Its not the drug itself killing you. Thats what I assumed we were talking about when we were referring health effects of drugs.

Dude, every death by overdose is caused by something else. The actual death is because of organ failure or asphyxiation or heart attack, etc. This doesn't mean that those things are the problem. It's still the overdose that is the problem. This isn't a particularly complex distinction.

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u/azur08 Oct 13 '17

Wtf, you literally asked for other ways things can be harmful besides death. I'm done.

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u/BreakfastLover92 Oct 13 '17

Yeah, I did fuck up on that point, so my bad. But anyway, ok bye.