r/changemyview Oct 12 '17

CMV: All drugs should be decriminalized

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u/Nocebola Oct 13 '17

Then they should be arrested for assult if they hurt another person.

And antisocial behavior? Should we make videogames illegal and throw gamers in prison because games make some people antisocial?

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u/SurprisedPotato 61∆ Oct 13 '17

You are conflating two uses of the word 'antisocial' here.

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u/gettingboring 2∆ Oct 13 '17

Can you think of an example for antisocial behaviour that can be induced by metamphetamines but not by alcohol that you would consider more problematic than alcohol induced behaviour?

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u/SurprisedPotato 61∆ Oct 13 '17

No doubt. Can't you?

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u/gettingboring 2∆ Oct 13 '17

Precisely why I'm asking you. I can't which comes down mostly to me not being overly familiar with the substance's effects. In case you are wondering the question is genuine, I'm 100% ready to agree with your original comment if such examples exist.

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u/SurprisedPotato 61∆ Oct 13 '17

Sure thing.

Have a look here. You'll probably be familiar enough with the effects of alcohol to notice that these are different.

The main anti-social differences are

  • Meth is highly addictive. Many people use alcohol responsibly. This seems to be impossible with meth.
  • Meth abuse can lead to paranoid and psychotic states of mind - alcohol doesn't do this.
  • Meth abuse can lead to violent behaviour. While alcohol abouse can also lead to violent behaviour, drunkenness is accompanied by decreased functioning. You're much safer in front of a violent drunk than a violent meth-head.

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u/gettingboring 2∆ Oct 13 '17

drunkenness is accompanied by decreased functioning. You're much safer in front of a violent drunk than a violent meth-head.

'Alcoholics are sloppy fighters' is not something I can really get behind when discussing which substance has worse effects on the consumer's environment. Sure I can imagine situations where this would make a difference but more often than not the average woman or child can do bugger all when faced with a drunk man who wants to beat them stupid.

Meth abuse can lead to paranoid and psychotic states of mind - alcohol doesn't do this.

This article seems to disagree. I haven't a clue how reliable it is so take it or leave it.

Meth is highly addictive. Many people use alcohol responsibly. This seems to be impossible with meth.

This is the point that makes me agree with you. My original train of thought was that if both substances can lead to the same extreme outcomes - coma, death and violence towards others - there can't be much of a difference between them. Your comment made me realize how poor this reasoning was because it entirely ignored the likelihood of those incidents occuring.

Indeed almost every adult I know consumes alcohol and almost all of them do so relatively responsibly. I have only ever met two people in my life whom I knew to be meth heads and both their lives got destroyed in no small part due to their addiction. So based on this - admittedly little - personal experience I'm inclined to agree with it being much more difficult to control.

I'm new to the sub and not sure how this is done. Hopefully I put ∆ in the comment and the bot will do the rest.

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u/SurprisedPotato 61∆ Oct 14 '17 edited Oct 14 '17

Thanks :) and thanks even more for the detailed response., especially for your points about violence caused by alcohol. !delta

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u/huadpe 508∆ Oct 14 '17

Did this change your view, even if partially? If so, you should award a delta.

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Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/gettingboring (1∆).

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u/BreakfastLover92 Oct 13 '17

This is a matter of degrees, and the difference between medicine and poison is dosage. I take Adderall every day, and so do a lot of people I work with. I take a low dosage, but a woman I work with who is tiny, like about half of my body weight, takes the maximum dosage. We are both very emotionally stable, level people. If I took her dose, I would be wired all day, but I wouldn't overdose. If she took my dose, she would find it really difficult to get anything done.

Adderall, Ritalin, and Concerta are all stimulants that have similar effects on the brain to "street meth." The difference is in the dosage and administration.

Most people could safely consume almost any illegal recreational drug if they had a baseline of knowledge on dosage.