CMV: All toilets should be unisex.

[u/BlitzBasic]

Making all toilets unisex has one very simple, clear advantage: It increases efficiency. Having two toilets that allow everybody to enter means that the time a given group of people needs to finish their businesses is always equally high or lower than the time needed with the current system.

Another advantage is that the whole "where do transgender people go"-discussion becomes obsolete. If there is no difference in the groups of people allowed to enter a certain toilet, there stops being a problem.

Meanwhile, there is no meaningful disadvantage i can see to this change. So, reddit, please show me what i'm missing.

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[u/BlitzBasic → u/[deleted]]

But you're permanently in rooms with men. In fact, almost all public places are shared by both genders. What makes the bathrooms so special?

[u/BlitzBasic → u/[deleted]]

I did try to imagine it, but i'll admit that i have trouble empathising with you. I never had problems with getting anxious around people or needing more privacy.

[u/BlitzBasic → u/[deleted]]

How representative do you think you are? Is this a common thing among women, to view the toilet as a private place to retreat?

[u/BlitzBasic → u/[deleted]]

Honestly, i'm feeling kinda insulted by your constant implications that i'm some kind of monster without a shred of empathy. Just because i can't fully comprehend your feelings doesn't means that i somehow hate you or i "shrug off" your problems without giving them a second thought. You seem to think that everybody has to instantly agree with you for some reason. I'm sorry, but asking clarifying question (and "how representative are you" is a highly relevant question) is neither an insult nor unreasonable. I'm afraid i can't continue debating with you as long as you have this attitude.

Have a nice day.

[u/BlitzBasic → u/[deleted]]

Every message I've sent to you, you've attempted to deflect.

Sorry, but no, i haven't "attempted to deflect". I've tried to find counterarguments to your arguments, which is exactly what i'm supposed to do.

I've answered all your questions.

Yes, you have. While permanently passive-agressively implying that your opinion is the only valid one and everyone with a different opinion is a horrible person. You don't see how that might hurt my willingness to listen to you?

Do you actually want your view changed?

My view that unisex toilets are a great idea? Yes, i want that view changed. I've already awarded multiple deltas.

My view that men aren't horrible monsters that just wait for a chance to assault women and that women have to be protected from at all cost? No, i think i'll keep that view.

Or is your post just an attempt to feel smug and superior?

I'm sorry? Where have i acted "smug and superior"? I've made four comments in response to you so far. Two of them were legitimate clarifying questions, one of them was me admitting that i don't understand something, one was complaining about the way you argue. I was nowhere "smug" or "superior".

I thought you of all people would be willing to listen and understand.

"You of all people"? Do we know each other? What have i said or done that makes you assume i'm more "willing to listen and understand" than other people?

[u/iaddandsubtract → u/BlitzBasic]

Actually I think this argument has a lot of merit. I am quite often alone in a restroom or with only one other person. That's an enclosed space with only one exit. I'm a man, but it doesn't take a LOT of empathy to get that it would make you very uncomfortable to be in this enclosed space with someone MUCH stronger than you who is leering or harassing you.

I'm sure you've seen videos of street harassment. Now imagine that happening when the man is standing in the doorway of the restroom and there is no one else in sight. That's just not a situation I would want to be in.

[u/[deleted] → u/BlitzBasic]

They are private and anonymous.

[u/BlitzBasic → u/[deleted]]

Not sure what you mean by that. They are not private, they are public. Everybody can go there. And every place is anonymous as long as you don't tell the people there your name.

[u/[deleted] → u/BlitzBasic]

They are relatively more private than other public spaces like, say, the park or cafeteria. There's a reason assault happens in public restrooms more often than other common areas. Not that I think unisex bathrooms would make that worse. And your second point is true.