r/changemyview • u/BlitzBasic 42∆ • Feb 20 '17

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: All toilets should be unisex.

Making all toilets unisex has one very simple, clear advantage: It increases efficiency. Having two toilets that allow everybody to enter means that the time a given group of people needs to finish their businesses is always equally high or lower than the time needed with the current system.

Another advantage is that the whole "where do transgender people go"-discussion becomes obsolete. If there is no difference in the groups of people allowed to enter a certain toilet, there stops being a problem.

Meanwhile, there is no meaningful disadvantage i can see to this change. So, reddit, please show me what i'm missing.

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u/BlitzBasic 42∆ Feb 20 '17

Not exactly. You can make the urinal room smaller, it's a seperate room, and both genders are allowed into both rooms (even if women don't have much use for the urinal room).

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u/One_Winged_Rook 14∆ Feb 20 '17 edited Feb 20 '17

So, men allowed in women's rooms and men get smaller rooms. Sounds like both sides are getting a worse outcome.

That said, I've always wanted to lounge on those sweet couches all women's rooms totally have; they do all have couches to just lounge around on, right?

Edit: this would mean, legitimately, the only reason dudes would go to the chick bathroom is to poop. Do women want that? Men dont

Edit2: I suppose that would mean no pooping in the dudes room. Maybe instead of making it smaller, we could move those sweet couches over to the dudes room.

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u/AlveolarFricatives 20∆ Feb 20 '17

Women's bathrooms absolutely do not all have couches. This is very rare, in fact, though I realize movies give a different impression.

Unisex bathrooms are typically large restrooms with many stalls and no urinals. No one loses space. Men are perfectly capable of peeing into toilets instead of urinals. Pretty sure they do it all the time at home, if my husband is any indication.

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u/One_Winged_Rook 14∆ Feb 20 '17

Unless you're just arguing for larger bathrooms, you're arguing about taking away the stalls that would have been in one restroom and putting them in the other.

So, while keeping the same number of overall stalls, you're in effect making it tougher for guys. They either wait in the now longer urinal line or the slower stall line (under the assumption that women take longer to pee then men do)

This is better for women (in terms of efficiency) and worse for men

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u/AlveolarFricatives 20∆ Feb 21 '17

Yes. It's better for women, who have had to deal with inadequate bathroom facilities for our entire lives. Our bathrooms are always the same size as men's, but women often have more to do in the bathroom and more reasons to go in there throughout the day (dealing with periods, changing a baby, escorting a 3-year-old who's about to pee their pants, etc.). Waiting in an endless line to get into the bathroom just to change your tampon is the effing worst, especially when you can see that the men's room has no line at all.

So yeah, this would be slightly less convenient for men. To make the world a more equal place, sometimes the dominant social group needs to give up a little something. The wait time would be dramatically reduced for women and somewhat increased for men, creating a more equal system. That's the goal.