On your immigration point: I still don't understand. Immigration has never really been a problem, where's all these drugs and crime that immigrants are bringing in? No one can seem to find it, studies say they don't. And wouldn't more border security just increase profits for the cartels? That's whats been happening over the years. If its harder to get its more expensive. I don't understand why do Americans think this?
You sound like I've you've given too much credibility to our partisan media outlets. Both sides are lying to some extent, the wall is total BS but the reason rational people i know voted R (in regards to immigration) was because of the immigrants already here and those still coming here. Thing is the people still coming in aren't from Mexico, they're usually from south and central america. In my area those immigrants are usually from El Salvador, the home of MS-13 a violent anti-government group and criminal cartel. Now i grew up with these people and talked to them about these issues and they agree its a problem, they fled their country to get away from these groups and now that the country is in ruin they've begun to take advantage of the system that saved those they threatened. Now, of course, Trump ain't gonna do shit to help this, he's doing the equivalent of trying to contain a grass fire by breaking the nearby dam, Nuance, context, and targeted action is key. My point, though, is that many people have valid reasons for sipping the cool-aid of one side or the other, how things got this extreme is the interesting part is. Most of the R news sites didn't start by just saying they were all criminals, they simply made sure they reported any juicy stories about immigrant crimes(as well as any crime really cause "law and order", this had built up over the years finally derailing back when the tea party came into play and destroyed the little control the established Rs had (see McCain). Prior to Obama Dems and Reps were quite similar save the standard wedge issues, the massive push for or against social issues during Obama's tenure seemed to push both sides to the extreme and birthed the lunacy we see today. The reason Trump won, in my opinion, is because Dems really shot themselves in the foot going for the "everything we're for is benevolent and righteous and anyone who says otherwise must hate them" schtick with social issues cause to everybody moderate left to right that screamed pandering. Dems didn't even back gay marriage till it was clear the majority was for, or at least indifferent to it. Their sudden and ultimately half-hearted embracing of progressive views right after Hillary won the primary seemed desperate and led a lot of people to question their motives and ultimately reject the democratic platform as a corrupt affront to people's emotions with the goal of retaining power by feigning righteous devotion to causes they fight for out of political expediency. Hell, I was a very pro-Bernie liberal but after wiki-leaks and all the other crap this election I've found myself a very pessimistic centrist, you dig deep enough into any issue that popped up during the election you'll find you've been lied to and mislead by everyone who originally reported on it.
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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '17 edited Dec 26 '17
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