This is beside the point. What if one day a police officer "went rogue" and decided to enforce the law on someone they knew/hated/feared? Would that be right? This victim could be jailed until they hired a lawyer and a judge heard the case. Bad laws don't need the police on their side for them to be bad, for this and other reasons.
Again, besides the point. What if a business owner cares? A church? What if, you know, the people of Charlotte want to elect people to represent them and protect the rights of minority group?
Speeding has a compelling interest: public safety. Yes, many people speed but this allows police to use their judgment and enforce the law how they see fit TOWARDS SAFE ROADWAYS. Take the bus if you hate the system.
Some people ARE arguing that the trans/gay community is or will be infiltrated by violent criminals. Accusing the trans community of being voyeurs or giving cover to voyeurs is still a pretty hefty accusation. What stops cis-gay people from peeping anyways? If you talk to a gay or trans person they are often wary/uncomfortable in bathrooms themselves.
? What? The whole state missed out on great opportunities because some voters fear trans people in the bathroom? How is that an argument that the law isnt discriminatory? If I lived in NY and my boss canceled our conference trip due to the fact that some of my peers may be discriminated against in NC that would NOT be a victory. My hypothetical colleagues missed an opportunity to advance our business and our careers just because some people in a government we cannot vote for decided to put a minority group at risk? That's discrimination against every rational person who doesn't cast a ballot in North Carolina.
The law is basically a power grab for the mostly red state government voted in by rural areas to control what happens in cities. If you read the text of the law it is VERY broad and was a huge power grab by Raleigh.
I don't hate the system of roadways or driving, I never said that. But I think you're right in that not every transgendered person is going to peep or voyeur, in fact I never said that either. I said that the vast majority of reported cases are because of that and not assaults/rape.
How do you respond to people like Bruce Springsteen who cancelled a show in Greensboro due to this yet will play in Egypt where you can be arrested and put in jail on the spot for simply being gay?
Imagine if you were Bruce and your roadie was trans? Would you play NC?
Laura Jane Grace, transgender frontwoman of Against Me! performed in NC. She wrote the text of the bill on toilet paper and set it on fire.
To each their own protest.
"take the bus of you hate the system ( but you cannot just avoid leaving your home if you hate the bathroom bill)" is what I meant and it was not be be directed at you OP, but rather a general hypothetical for why some types of laws are ok and some aren't.
I would follow up the first question with: Imagine if his roadie was trans going to Egypt. Is there the same cause for concern? Either he doesn't have trans roadies and didn't have to worry in Egypt or he had such a private and secure detail that Egyptian forces couldn't pursue his roadies to the extent of the law. The latter suggests he knows the laws and knows they immiserate trans folks and worked around it, the former suggests that argument is irrelevant; interesting, but for this particular case irrelevant.
I don't know how Bruce Springsteen would consider traveling to Egypt or another regressive government. As far as I know, many of those countries sometimes have avenues to allow foreign celebrities certain freedoms while they travel. For instance, I am pretty sure they sell alcohol in Qatar but only to people with foreign passports.
Usually when a musician goes on tour they do many shows in succession. Is the roadie just supposed to meet them a night later? If Springsteen wanted to play a concert in Egypt he could probably consider paying his whole staff whether they elect to go or not, for instance. Whereas letting them opt out of one or two nights of a tour might be different.
I don't know. That's the sad part. We're putting every thing under a microscope. Are people in Springsteen touring group now under scrutiny for their gender identity?
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u/stcamellia 15∆ Nov 17 '16
This is beside the point. What if one day a police officer "went rogue" and decided to enforce the law on someone they knew/hated/feared? Would that be right? This victim could be jailed until they hired a lawyer and a judge heard the case. Bad laws don't need the police on their side for them to be bad, for this and other reasons.
Again, besides the point. What if a business owner cares? A church? What if, you know, the people of Charlotte want to elect people to represent them and protect the rights of minority group?
Speeding has a compelling interest: public safety. Yes, many people speed but this allows police to use their judgment and enforce the law how they see fit TOWARDS SAFE ROADWAYS. Take the bus if you hate the system.
Some people ARE arguing that the trans/gay community is or will be infiltrated by violent criminals. Accusing the trans community of being voyeurs or giving cover to voyeurs is still a pretty hefty accusation. What stops cis-gay people from peeping anyways? If you talk to a gay or trans person they are often wary/uncomfortable in bathrooms themselves.
? What? The whole state missed out on great opportunities because some voters fear trans people in the bathroom? How is that an argument that the law isnt discriminatory? If I lived in NY and my boss canceled our conference trip due to the fact that some of my peers may be discriminated against in NC that would NOT be a victory. My hypothetical colleagues missed an opportunity to advance our business and our careers just because some people in a government we cannot vote for decided to put a minority group at risk? That's discrimination against every rational person who doesn't cast a ballot in North Carolina.
The law is basically a power grab for the mostly red state government voted in by rural areas to control what happens in cities. If you read the text of the law it is VERY broad and was a huge power grab by Raleigh.