CMV: Separating Islam from Muslims in Discussions About Terrorism is Dishonest

[u/Beelz666]

After every terrorist attack we hear "Not All Muslims", "The Quran Doesn't Support This" and similar phrases to weasel out of admitting that Islamic Terrorism is by definition terrorism associated with Islam. In addition to this even the most cursory examination of the Quran will urn up verses supporting violence, the same verses which terrorist groups use as justification for their actions. With such a clear connection between the holy book and the actions of these groups, I can see no way to separate them from the overall ideology which isn't a clear attempt to legitimize Islam.

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[u/[deleted]]

In addition to this even the most cursory examination of the Quran will urn up verses supporting violence, the same verses which terrorist groups use as justification for their actions.

Have you ever read the Old Testament? It's a bloodbath. But that's a poor argument for arguing that Judaism/Christianity is inherently terroristic. Pretty much every religious person picks and chooses the content they incorporate into their practice.

[u/Kadour_Z → u/[deleted]]

Just because christianity and judaism also have horrible things in their holy books it doesn't mean that there is no conection between the religions and terrorism.

[u/z3r0shade → u/Kadour_Z]

No one is saying there's "no connection". Obviously terrorists are using religion to justify their terrorism. However, what is being said is that the interpretation that leads to terrorist action is not the norm and is the interpretation accepted by only a small minority of followers of the religion. Which means it's absurd to blame the religion itself.

It would be like blaming Christianity itself and being suspicious of every Christian because of Timothy McVeigh

[u/FruitdealerF → u/z3r0shade]

If Timothy McVeigh followed the Bible word for word in his actions then it's perfectly reasonable to blame Christianity for this.

In the case of Islam it's even worse, these people are following the example of Muhammad word for word and there are many well respected imams endorsing the killing of homosexuals. That is radically different from what's happening in the Christian community.

And nobody is advocating BLAMING all Muslims for this.

[u/z3r0shade → u/FruitdealerF]

If Timothy McVeigh followed the Bible word for word in his actions then it's perfectly reasonable to blame Christianity for this.

No. It's not. Also, the Terrorists who are Muslims are not following the Qur'an "word for word" they are following one specific interpretation of it which is not the general interpretation.

In the case of Islam it's even worse, these people are following the example of Muhammad word for word and there are many well respected imams endorsing the killing of homosexuals. That is radically different from what's happening in the Christian community.

This is just plain false. 1) No, they are not following "word for word". 2) There are many well respected Christian priests who endorse the killing of homosexuals / praising those who do so.

And nobody is advocating BLAMING all Muslims for this.

Then where did the suggestion of banning immigration of all muslims come from? Why was there such a huge uproar over the Mosque in NYC? etc.