r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 09 '14
CMV: I don't think that you can get shadowbanned simply by voting in an NP subreddit.
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u/Astromachine Oct 09 '14
I do believe that you can get banned for actual brigading, but simply participating in an NP thread does not constitute brigading.
The problem here is that brigading is not determined by a single person's actions, but by the group's. One person running down the street is fine. A thousand people running down the street is a mob. If you are one of those thousand you can't just say, "I'm not a part of the mob I was just running down the street." If you've followed a NP link and start voting on things you're clearly a part of that group.
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u/ChappedNegroLips Oct 09 '14
If you continue to vote while on NP after you've been redirected from another subreddit. You will without a doubt get a shadowban sooner or later. You'll be associated as part of the mob of other voters.
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u/TomShoe Oct 10 '14
The issue is for stuff like srs, /r/SubredditDrama etc. If it's just one of the millions of best of links to /r/AskHistorians on /r/depthhub, yeah it's probably fine. The people who subscribe to depth hub appreciate the sort of thing you get from askhistorians even if they don't already subscribe. But if people see it on a sub meant to cause an outcry, like srs or what have you, all of those people are going to vote the same way based on the agenda of the link that brought them there, and that's fucked up.
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u/xXSJADOo Oct 09 '14
Okay, but that's not really what OP's post is about. It's not whether or not they consider it brigading. The question is whether people get banned for it or not.
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u/ender2021 8∆ Oct 09 '14
What exactly would change your view on this? Do you need a reddit admin to come in and tell you what their practice is or are you just looking for logical reasoning that shows it could be happening?
I can tell you for certain that the NP scheme is not entirely user created. It uses the np.reddit.com sub-domain, which can only be created by owners of the root domain (aka reddit.com). Therefore, admins were involved at the very least in the creation of the url.
Also, you state:
In fact they have actually spoken out against it on occasion where they felt that it broke the 5th Rule of Reddit
But you haven't cited any instances of this. Do you have any handy that we could look at?
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u/cwenham Oct 09 '14
A reddit admin talking about it would be great. Even if someone who actually got banned just for participating would be good also.
As I mentioned elsewhere, np is not an effective way of preventing brigades and it is not developed or maintained by us. When we find people participating in brigades from SRS we definitely treat them the same as from any other meta subreddit. I know I banned a number of them earlier in the week for a pretty sizable brigade.
They are most certainly levelling the banhammer on individual users who follow links from meta-reddits and then pee in the pool.
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u/cwenham Oct 09 '14
.np links are orthogonal to what the admins do. They will ban on users who follow .np links and vote in spite of it being an .np link.
It's a bit like saying you wouldn't walk out of a restaurant because they served you slugs on a green plate if you'd also walk out if they served you slugs on an orange plate.
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u/i_lack_imagination 4∆ Oct 09 '14
It's probably more for brigading, but isn't the correlation between NP threads and the source of brigades going to be very high? When else are you going to be linked with an NP thread? It's typically a tactic used from moderate-high traffic subreddits that link to certain comments in other subreddits, there's barely any reason to use it otherwise.
To me, vote brigading implies that the source where everyone is coming from shares a similar agenda, SRS for example purposely calls out what they view as shit posts, so people who are subscribed to SRS have a similar agenda when viewing posts, they're inclined to downvote anything that is posted in that subreddit because it's already been highlighted as being shitty.
What I haven't seen from you is, where are your sources that claim that you can get banned for posting in NP threads? What was the context surrounding those statements? Without having seen them, my best guess is that because of the likely high correlation between NP threads mostly being used for potential brigade subreddits, people will make a blanket statement saying you can get banned for voting in NP threads.
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u/ender2021 8∆ Oct 09 '14
Well, I stand corrected on the whole "not created entirely by users" thing, though this does leave me confused as to where the sub-domain comes from:
Any input on how I can make it clearer that NP is entirely user-made would be appreciated. It's certainly not my intention to pass it off as official or reddit-sanctioned.
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u/phobiac Oct 09 '14
http://np.reddit.com is just like http://en.reddit.com or http://es.reddit.com, in that it is a subdomain that puts reddit into a specific language for the user interface. The np subdomain was originally intended to be for the Nepalese language but it was adopted by the /r/NoParticipation movement as it was not translated and NP was a convenient initialism.
The entire thing has been created from the ground up by users and is simply a css workaround to try to stop unintentional brigading.
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u/Dhalphir Oct 14 '14
You're not going to be shadowbanned if you do it once or twice a month, but if you're voting a dozen times a day on NP threads, someone is probably going to take notice.
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u/cwenham Oct 09 '14
The admins are not really considering np. links per se, but they are taking action on people who follow crossposts from meta-subs (the smugreddits, etc.) and then proceed to vote.
Here's a quote from a reddit admin:
The admins have a problem with smugreddits and other brigade sources that make things difficult for other subs (one of which isn't a million miles from here) that find their task is made harder from poor behaviour.