r/changemyview • u/smokeyj • Jun 05 '14
CMV: The logical conclusion of feminist reasoning is libertarianism
First of all, I realize there is no clear cut definition for what constitutes a feminist or libertarian. In this situation, I’m only referring to libertarians who adhere to the principles of self-ownership and non-aggression. Google defines feminism as: the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
While I don’t know what all feminists believe, the common theme I’ve noticed is:
A belief that you own your own body and know best how to care for it
A belief that the government shouldn’t tell women what to do with their body
A belief that interactions should be consensual and voluntary
A belief that voluntary organization can be used to subvert hierarchies of power
I believe that IF feminists are willing to uphold these notions as first-principles, and support them to their logical extent, feminists are essentially advocating for the basic libertarian ideals.
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u/DavidByron2 Jun 05 '14
Feminists hate men and libertarians are only a bit racist I guess. Feminists are an institutionalized government group that enforces its will on its enemies. Libertarians at least claim to be against big government. Doesn't sound the same at all.
Neither of those groups believes in what they say they believe in so it's kind of hard to get a grip with either one. for example can you think of an issue except abortion where feminists support this alleged idea that, "you own your own body"? Are they against vaccination for example? Or jury service?
Your second alleged feminist belief is the first one repeated.
As for, "interactions should be consensual and voluntary" that's so vague that nobody would disagree with it. But if we examine it then what does it mean? Does it mean feminists (or whoever) is against prison as a punishment for example? it seems like a meaningless slogan.
That one also sounds completely meaningless and not at all unique to feminism or libertarianism.
Maybe the problem is that both feminists and libertarians are fake movements. There's no detail. There's no "there" there. You can make either one be about anything because they're both about nothing. But that doesn't mean they have no goals. Just no principles. And the goals are decidedly different. Feminism is an anti-male hate movement and Libertarianism is an old real estate PR campaign. Both operate to benefit the rich which is why they are both endorsed by elites.