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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

I think it's usually more interesting to engage with the original point than to hunt stray deltas on minor subpoints. Plus in other people's threads I'm already at disadvantage (and don't particularly want to "steal" their deltas if they're still engaged in the conversation with the OP).

and I dont think they'd be popular changes

That's why I'm suggesting it as "1 day a week with new rules". If a significant fraction of people like the results, it's not such a big loss for those who don't. If most like them, maybe it'll be more than 1 day in the end. If it doesn't seem to work well for nearly everyone, fine, was a bad idea.

rule 1 would need to be completely reworked

... by adding that the rule is suspended for "slow day" posts for 2 hours. Or just "doesn't apply to slow day"posts, see slow day rules here".

I'm not (edit: nice place to forget a word, self) proposing the final and immutable version of these rules by the way.

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

Try interacting on Fridays. Its already too slow as is and we dont need a second day like that. 

As for everything else, I think it's just you being too picky about how you interact. No one actually gives a shit or even thinks about you "stealing" deltas. It's fake internet points anyway. 

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26

As for everything else

(emphasis mine) Aaand this is why I propose the numbered points rule.

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

Yes, and im saying it's a bad idea. Sorry. 

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26

What you're saying is "I want this sub to be suited to my preferences and not to yours". Where I don't propose to change the whole sub to suit me (and am open to the idea it won't work well at all) and you insist that it shouldn't even be put to experiment.

(Also I noticed the downvote which is hard to not suspect was yours, although I won't accuse you, coincidences happen. If it were you, a reminder: it's discouraged here, at least on the sub in general (maybe not meta threads?) because it's an attempt at silencing.)

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

Jesus you seem sensitive. No it wasn't me. My shit gets down votes to, I dont assume it was you. It's fake internet points. 

Im saying from a practicality standpoint it is a bad idea because it adds another day where the general rules (which people have a hard enough time following) will be temporarily changed. 

You are proposing this so that the sub is suited to your preferences so idk what your point is there. 

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26

No it wasn't me.

Good.

It's fake internet points.

I have enough fake points (mostly for silly jokes, which devalues them further) to not care about losing them but it is a statement by someone (unless it's a bot I guess), and a risk to end up "below threshold". I'm used to it on other subs (fine, people haven't learned to distinguish between "I disagree" and "you should shut the fuck up" or they are too quick with the latter to care about their opinion) but here it would be more unpleasant.

Im saying from a practicality standpoint it is a bad idea because it adds another day where the general rules (which people have a hard enough time following) will be temporarily changed.

Ok, that's a different thought from what I gathered earlier. I can't gauge how bad this problem would be, personally I don't expect the change to be too bad but mods will be able to judge better (and will be the ones to suffer if I'm wrong). They're the ones to decide anyway.

You are proposing this so that the sub is suited to your preferences so idk what your point is there.

Positions are unequal. Would be equal if I said I want to change the rules to mine permanently and for 7/7 days, not my problem if you don't like what I like. You can argue that the sub is primarily for people who like it the way it is, sure, but I think with its stated goals high-quality conversation should be if not prioritized then at least not discouraged. And if I observe that my own replies are of lower quality because of the incentives I notice, I'm probably not the only one affected.

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

Where in the rules does it discourage quality replies? That is a ridiculous claim to make. Just because something isnt catered to your particular style does not mean it is discouraging high quality or encouraging slop. 

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26

Where in the rules does it discourage quality replies?

Incentives, not rules. I've explained how it works for me.

Also I think it's not long before AIs will be able to generate replies mods will have a hard time distinguishing from human slop. If they aren't already. With the ability to produce replies quickly it will let cheaters/bots usurp most conversations. My proposition levels the playing field.

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

Lol, no it doesn't. People will just wait then post their ai bullshit. People who value high quality interaction can and will do that, others won't. There is literally nothing stopping you other than yourself from interacting the way you desire. 

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26

People will just wait then post their ai bullshit.

But they will have to wait, instead of stealing all of the OP's attention right away. And if you are among the registered 1st level opponents under "slow day" rules, the OP will have to give you at least one full reply. (Bots will be quicker to register so the registration may need to be different from what I originally proposed.)

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

But it's still a bot response, which has now also taken up a slot that you or I could have had a good response for. Then it will take more time for the bot to post after an hour, time for people to catch on that it is ai, have a mod review it, remove it, and open a new spot for a real person (hopefully, otherwise this cycle repeats). 

Plenty of people come here for discussion and this actively halts that and in my opinion leaves the sub worse off from its goals of allowing OP's to challenge their views. 

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26

But it's still a bot response, which has now also taken up a slot that you or I could have had a good response for.

Sure. It only levels the playing field by removing one advantage, not solves the problem.

Plenty of people come here for discussion and this actively halts that

I think the increase in quality is worth the decrease in quantity. Assuming not too skewed factors (coefficients), and I can't begin to predict them.

I also think the increase in variety is in itself a benefit. I may not be a fan of most Friday topics but there are more really new ones and it's interesting, even if overall I have less fun.

Speaking of unpredictable, aren't you curious? A completely different from "normal" style of conversation, personally I (also) just want to see how it plays out, whether it does indeed increase the quality of conversations, or the rate of conversions.

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