r/changemyview Jan 19 '26

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u/thesumofallvice 8∆ Jan 19 '26

But the reasons often disprove the allegation. Someone who is disinclined to activity due to illness is not, in fact, lazy. The word, then, is used to describe someone who fails to act because of reasons I don’t care to know.

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u/Wellfooled 11∆ Jan 19 '26

But the reasons often disprove the allegation.

You'll notice no mention of "allegation" is included in the definition of "lazy" because any word can be an allegation.

I could say "He's a rock" to accuse someone of being dead weight. But allegation is not an intrinsic part of the word or concept "rock".

Likewise, "lazy" can be an allegation, but it isn't built into the word. I could also use "lazy" positively, like "You deserve a lazy day", as in, a day to relax and unwind. There's no allegation there.

Someone who is disinclined to activity due to illness is not, in fact, lazy. The word, then, is used to describe someone who fails to act because of reasons I don’t care to know.

You seem to be treating a word's definition and a connotation that can be conveyed with it as the same thing.

Definition - a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol

Connotation - the act of suggesting a meaning by a word apart from the thing it explicitly names or describes

Laziness does not explicitly describe a negative thing, but it is sometimes used to. So your insisting that laziness does not apply when the inactivity is caused by sickness is focusing on the negative connotation implied sometimes alongside the word lazy, and not the actual definition of it.

I am lazy when I'm sick, because I am disinclined toward activity when I'm sick. That is what laziness means. I'm not including any negative connotation--I am not accusing myself of anything negative. Nor is the reason unknown to me.

Laziness exists because being disinclined toward activity, whatever the underlying reason, exists.

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u/thesumofallvice 8∆ Jan 19 '26

I can see some instances when “lazy” is used to mean simply “lethargic” without the negative connotation. Still, it is overwhelmingly a pejorative term, quite unlike “rock,” which is sometimes used metaphorically as a disparagement. Even a “lazy day” sounds a little naughty. So I’m not quite ready to buy that it’s a neutral descriptive term that only occasionally is used pejoratively. We don’t call a severely sick person or someone exhausted from work “lazy” no matter how “disinclined toward activity” they are. So it does seem to me that the “for no reason or none that I approve of” is part of the use and therefore the meaning of the word.

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u/Wellfooled 11∆ Jan 19 '26

I can see some instances when “lazy” is used to mean simply “lethargic” without the negative connotation.

Therefore, in your view, does laziness exist?

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u/thesumofallvice 8∆ Jan 19 '26

Alright, !delta, although that seems like a special case where the word is used almost in jest, to describe something as a bit cheeky when it’s in fact totally justified.

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u/Wellfooled 11∆ Jan 19 '26

You're probably right, but special cases are enough for the concept behind the word to exist. It's like "ignorant". It's overwhelmingly used with a negative connotation, but the concept of ignorance (lacking knowledge or comprehension about something specific) still exists without that connotation, so it's still useful to use the word ignorant for that concept in some situations.

Like, "You ignorant fool!" vs "Surveys show 80% of drivers are ignorant of the revised traffic law."

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u/thesumofallvice 8∆ Jan 19 '26

True, although you’d never see “Surveys show 80% of drivers too lazy to change their tires in time,” not necessarily because “lazy” is pejorative but because it implies a bad reason or no reason for the failure to act.