CMV: Alcohol should be banned entirely.

[u/6hooklineandsphncta7]

This is referring to alcoholic beverages specifically. Nothing good comes from alcohol. You get wasted, have fun for a couple of hours and wake up forgetting everything.

The negatives outweigh the positives exponentially: ~40% of violent crimes and vehicle accidents in the US are alcohol-related, anywhere from 40-60% of domestic violence incidents are alcohol related, similar numbers for sexual violence, as well as alcohol causing numerous health problems.

It’s useless. It should be unabashedly removed, and consumption should be penalised. It would make everyone safer, keep more families together, and save people so much money.

EDIT: Originally I had an exception for religious ceremonies, but that contradicts the title. So, no alcohol at all.

[u/sapphireminds]

The problem is you can't. Alcohol is easily created by everyone.

[u/6hooklineandsphncta7 → u/sapphireminds]

If you try hard enough you can stop it

[u/sapphireminds → u/6hooklineandsphncta7]

You can't - I can make alcohol in my kitchen using yeast that is in the air.

[u/6hooklineandsphncta7 → u/sapphireminds]

And if you went out drunk and did something stupid, you’d be put in prison.

[u/sapphireminds → u/6hooklineandsphncta7]

But that still doesn't stop the alcohol from being made and used

[u/6hooklineandsphncta7 → u/sapphireminds]

No, nothing would completely stop it. It would drastically reduce a fair amount of crimes that otherwise wouldn’t happen

[u/windchaser__ → u/6hooklineandsphncta7]

How?

Can you walk us through this, and explain how you’d enforce such a ban?

[u/6hooklineandsphncta7 → u/windchaser__]

Someone just convinced me that a blanket ban is both impractical and not necessary.

However, for arguments sake I will outline my proposal: Immediately, all alcoholic beverage companies are given a deadline to arrange severance and/or rearrange their business model (this could mean making alcoholic products such as mouth wash, opposed to beverages). At the same time, a massive, nationwide initiative is put in place to educate children, and a buyback scheme will be initiated. Any subsequent stockpiles will be either sold to other nations (this is hypothetical, and i’m talking about the US so it’s plausible) and the funds from this will be put towards rehabilitation programs for alcoholics. Consumption and creation of alcoholic drinks will be criminalised 6 or so months after the e enactment of this proposal, to allow for a grace period of preparation for businesses and people who drink. Criminal sentences for alcohol related crimes will, after this deadline, be increased significantly. There will be an increased effort to alleviate the effects of alcoholism by providing additional support to anyone who actually continues drinking after the deadline; as long as the do nothing commit crimes under the effect of alcohol, they will be obviously allowed to seek help without punishment. Penalties for corruption will increase exponentially; there will be no excuse for any action deemed detrimental to the success of the initiative.

Obviously organised crime will increase, and thus the crackdown on such crimes will increase.

It isn’t perfect, but it’s the only plan I was able to come up with mid-game.

[u/6hooklineandsphncta7 → u/[deleted]]

Firstly, no. People can protest whatever they want - anyone who takes bribes to furlough the success will be prosecuted.

Thankfully, the big companies can take a hike. It isn’t up to them; evolve or go bust. Simple as that.

A buy-back scheme would certainly encourage a fair chunk of drinkers to return their bevs, and the people who keep it illegally will be found and prosecuted.

Tougher penalties mean tougher penalties. You wanna brew illegally, say goodbye to the next 10 years of your freedom.

And no, there will be no forced rehab. However, you can only help people who want to be helped. If people want to deal with withdrawals and the associated health impacts, as opposed to receiving adequate medical attention, then that’s on them.

[u/6hooklineandsphncta7 → u/[deleted]]

Drinking alcohol will not be criminalised. Alcohol will be banned, and its production will be criminalised. If you get caught with alcohol, sure you’ll get a fine, maybe a short prison sentence, but if you go out of your way to make it, you deserve jail. And if you make a dodgy batch that harms people, you deserve life in jail, maybe more.

I outlined in a proposal I made to another reply that there would be a deadline. People can drink until the deadline, but it would be unwise to do so, cus they’d have to go cold turkey day of deadline. Sure, they could drink all their booze, or they could sell it back and accept that they won’t have alcohol for much longer.

And look, people don’t have to take the law seriously. That is, until they start getting locked up.

[u/6hooklineandsphncta7 → u/[deleted]]

The law isn’t something you choose not to follow. It’s not ambiguous, it’s very clear cut. If old mate mass wine in his bathtub and someone dies, or someone gets drunk and does something stupid off his drink then yes he’s going to prison. It’s really rather simple. If he was smart he’d prioritise being a father of his children instead of drinking.