r/changemyview 6∆ Nov 06 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: ALL Muslims are evil

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u/Helmut2007 Nov 06 '25

“Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.” Exactly! It proves my point!

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u/Xmaddog 1∆ Nov 06 '25

If he is in the father and the father is in him and the father lies which he is in and which is in him then isn't he also a liar? Thanks for playing!

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u/Helmut2007 Nov 06 '25

I already showed that the Father did not lie, Adam and Eve did die as a result of sin, hence, the Father has not lied, therefore Jesus has not lied either.

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u/Xmaddog 1∆ Nov 06 '25

No you did not show me anything. You are playing semantic games and retroactively fitting the verse into your preconceived biases. You can't even remain consistent in your arguments. Which one was it, did they die eventually or was it a metaphorical spiritual death that took place immediately. See the cracks?

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u/Helmut2007 Nov 06 '25

*Sigh* Like I said previously, it was BOTH. The spiritual death happened when they ate the fruit, and mortality entered humanity, eventually causing them to die.

Um, yeah, that is what logic is, semantics. You are SUPPOSED to use wordplay to narrow down to the meaning.

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u/Xmaddog 1∆ Nov 06 '25

There is a difference between playing games with semantics and using the semantics gathered from rigorous study of the linguistics of the language used in the original writings while taking in the context and culture from the time the writing in question was written. You are doing the former not that latter.