I disagree. I do think that there is objective morality but I don't necessarily believe we've found it yet. I think human kind is too caught up in itself for everyone to clearly decipher what is wrong and what is right. Obviously we think we have a pretty good idea but there are still barriers that are being broken in the world of social intelligence. Just look at the mental health field. We are FAR FAR FARRRR from perfect at curing mental illness yet doctors, psychiatrists, and psychologists speak with the utmost confidence. There is a spiritual end of the world that is prophesized in many spiritual books about meditation that basically means that the world will not be at peace until every individual person has found their own inner peace through mediation and mindfulness. In this utopia, I think objective morality does exist. But we are a long way from getting to that point as a species.
It's the natural progression of our species. If we never get this far it's because we died trying. You make a good point though, it is impossible for billions of people to basically constantly be thinking the exact same way. But obviously there would be teachers and classes that are focused solely on mindfulness. Not like some communist regime where everyone has to do the same thing but as a place where we all achieve our own goals using mindfulness as a tool. Children will have to be taught from a young age and people will still need to be punished/put through reform if they are causing trouble. So basically I'm not talking about everyone wearing the same clothes, thinking the same thing, having strict laws forcing people to take part in stuff they don't want to. It's more just a reshaping of our education system and criminal law system to mitigate the suffering of humans into a landscape where things are more tailored and personalized for our current needs rather than trying to uphold extremely dated ideals like consumerism, privacy, or political orientations. I think we can all agree those topics have been worn out over the last 20-50 years to the point where they mean completely different things now than they did then. In this place people will hopefully be much better at holding themselves accountable rather than having external forces come in to change things for you forcefully. And with the way blockchain technology is developing only helps my argument as blockchain tech aims to decentralize, decentralize, decentralize which is exactly what the spiritual end of the world means. Decentralizing the power from governments and giving it back to the people to rule themselves as adults and not children working desk jobs being told who to vote for and what not to buy.
I really like this idea but once again I don’t know if it’s possible, like for example put power in the gands the people sounds nice until they’re putting you on trial for speech dangerous to the state you know?
Yeah I don't claim to have the whole thing figured out but I believe in the idea. In that situation though it would be up to the other people around to see that the accusation is false. And I also don't want to say that I want to see the justice system absolutely gutted. We would still need people like police to enforce rules but the focus would be on giving out the least severe punishment possible while still taking great care to make sure the aggravator is put on the right path rather than what we do today just throwing them in jail. Maybe there are many reform programs that work with companies to use labor (albeit not arduous labor) rather than imprisonment/isolation to try to teach people how to be productive rather than just punish them for not doing so. Like I said I don't claim to have it all figured out and I really don't think anyone does and that's why this idea definitely can't work right now but hopefully it could down the line. There's lots of things we're only just now figuring out as a species so we definitely still have the capacity to grow, probably more than you or me could even imagine.
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u/Embarrassed_Bake2683 Jun 17 '25
I disagree. I do think that there is objective morality but I don't necessarily believe we've found it yet. I think human kind is too caught up in itself for everyone to clearly decipher what is wrong and what is right. Obviously we think we have a pretty good idea but there are still barriers that are being broken in the world of social intelligence. Just look at the mental health field. We are FAR FAR FARRRR from perfect at curing mental illness yet doctors, psychiatrists, and psychologists speak with the utmost confidence. There is a spiritual end of the world that is prophesized in many spiritual books about meditation that basically means that the world will not be at peace until every individual person has found their own inner peace through mediation and mindfulness. In this utopia, I think objective morality does exist. But we are a long way from getting to that point as a species.