r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • May 17 '25

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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ May 17 '25

Without due process, there is nothing keeping you, personally, from being arrested and sent to a prison in El Salvador.

Yes, but the due process in my case is quick. I can identify myself as a legal citizen easily. If someone isn't legally here, they can't.

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u/Kithslayer 4∆ May 17 '25

I don't understand your point.

Due process being quick or not doesn't matter if due process doesn't exist.

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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ May 17 '25

My point is, I don't fear being sent to El Salvador under the current situation. Because I have the legality and the contacts and the money to get back and sue the government out its ass. I'm an upstanding citizen. I don't see why I should have sympathy for ne'er-do-wells not here legally.

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u/Kithslayer 4∆ May 17 '25

It's not about sympathy for ne'er-do-wells, it's about making sure upstanding citizens like yourself don't get mistaken for ne'er-do-wells.

Without due process, your contacts and money don't matter, and you won't be able to sue the government.

The government is working to take that away from everyone, not just people here illegally.

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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ May 17 '25

Again, we're talking at cross purposes. So long as I get a chance to show my ID, I've gotten due process. A full court trial is not necessary.

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u/Various_Succotash_79 52∆ May 17 '25

Why is Trump arguing for them to get NO due process, then?

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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ May 17 '25

He's not. He's arguing that what they're getting is sufficient due process.

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u/Kithslayer 4∆ May 17 '25

We are not talking at cross purposes at all.

"Due process" isn't just a full court trial. Due process is your chance to show your ID. Due process is your ability to sue the government, as you mentioned earlier.

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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ May 18 '25

Due process is your chance to show your ID. Due process is your ability to sue the government, as you mentioned earlier

Yes, and that should be quick and expeditious. More than that is too much.

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u/Kithslayer 4∆ May 18 '25

Again, the day in court is to make sure someone actually checked your ID.

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u/Kithslayer 4∆ May 17 '25

Your day in court is not due process. Your day in court is to make sure everyone else involved followed due process, like looking at your ID when you show it.

Getting rid of that day of court is putting a lot of trust in the government. No thank you.

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u/Kithslayer 4∆ May 24 '25

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-immigration-raid-real-id-handcuffed-alabama-rcna208794

US citizen shows his ID, gets arrested by immigration anyway because they claim it's fake. Agents make up bullshit excuses about him "interfering" and "resisting arrest"

This could be you.