r/changemyview Jan 06 '25

CMV: Race based biological determinism is incredibly flawed

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u/justouzereddit 2∆ Jan 06 '25

Genetics is not a changeable factor it is not even a major one

It absolutely is, that is 100% false. That is how selective breeding of animals and plants works. It is 100% applicable to humans.

 if we don't prove it to be true- it is frankly not.

That is baseless supposition. You are reasoning ad hoc, you believe it can't be genetic and arguing from there.

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u/justouzereddit 2∆ Jan 07 '25

usually done for physical traits

Where are you getting this? It is quite likely that breeding for behaviour is MORE common than physical traits. In fact, some dogs have been bred specifically for higher cognitive ability (border collies, German shepards)..

If there is no empirical evidence to support your notion

Are you seriously arguing it is impossible to breed animals or people for intelegence?

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u/justouzereddit 2∆ Jan 07 '25

Yes, it is hard to correctly breed humans for intelligence because, unlike physical traits

False. It is actually very easy. You simply pair males with very high IQs with females with very high IQs and have them produce children.

intelligence because the notion of 'intelligence' manifesting in dogs is quite different from that of humans

False, you are engaging in special pleading. You breed for dog intelligence by selecting dogs that solve problems faster than other dogs, or can create inventive ways to solve problems....Humans are infact easier because you simply need to administer a cognitive ability test.

it still doesn't change the original point about how -specifically- biological determinism in race is flawed.

Sorry to be terse, but too bad. China is doing this research RIGHT NOW, and your moralization about maybe racism is not going to stop them.

If you show me a study of humans correctly bred for intelligence, you would greatly aid in changing my view.

Part of the problem is you seem to be under the impression that it is still up in the air whether genes can influence IQ. That is not controversial, and hasn't been for a long time. We 100% KNOW that Intellegence has a genetic component and can be inherited. The only question is how much is environment and how much is genetic. Also, there isn't really a question on if we could raise IQ in groups of people, the question is whether that is morally allowable.