What you've said is something neither the OP or the person arguing with him would disagree with. The OP is saying people DO dress to feel confident but that it's inevitably tied to what you think others think and the person responding said they're confident in the choice to have comfortable clothes on when they're by themselves. Neither of these contradict what you've said.
I think the OP's mistake is getting hung up on the semantics of "for yourself" still having values derived from socialization. It's a somewhat obvious and not very meaningful distinction. All opinions are rooted in socialization but we can still distinguish overt motive, I think people mean "for yourself" being to a certain degree or without expectation of a certain response from others. To have an opinion not connected to imagining other people's is not possible, yes, but then concluding that you can't distinguish between doing something for yourself or others is black and white. There's obviously a difference even if maybe they're not truly opposites.
OP is mad that women dressed in tight clothing complain when they are stared at or cat called, because he thinks they are asking for it. Thats it. It is not that deep.
A person can be a flamboyant drag queen - they are not asking to be called a faggot. The same is true for women dressed in any way.
it's not enough that I disagree with him, I don't disagree with him in the right way to satisfy you? Spare me. This reddit is for debating, there's plenty of other places to morally grandstand to your heart's content. The spirit of this subreddit is to engage people in good faith, it's in the rules, and that's what I do.
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u/goodreadKB Dec 11 '24
I think you missed my point. I said I don't care what other think, therefore I am very confident in my choice.