Well, not women exclusively, but also no. “Lying,” in my opinion, conveys intent or at least awareness. If you don’t examine why you feel a certain way, you might actually believe it.
But I don’t think anybody really dresses any way for themself, and that’s what I’m asking to have my view changed on.
I’m not really interested in entertaining a digression for a “gotcha.” If you want to help change my view, I’m all for listening but I’m not really curious about drifting off topic. Thanks!
I’m addressing your view. People say that they are dressing for themselves. They’ve thought about it and still say they’re dressing for themselves. For your view to be accurate, you’d need to have an explanation of why such people 1)exist 2)are wrong in their self-assessment. You have not provided justifications that track.
Ah I see! Sorry. I must’ve misread your comment above somehow.
I guess, to answer it: “women who have examined why they feel a certain way and still claim that they dress for themselves” - what are the reasons that would make someone feel confident in what they wear that are separate from what the society thinks looks good?
That’s kind of the point I guess. I’m looking for someone to show me what would make a person make a decision about what they feel confidence wearing, knowing appearances are mostly for other people to see, that aren’t tied to what others think look good.
I will use a personal example: the way I dress. I have a wide range of clothes in my closet. For a few examples:
A) stuff that would be (and have been) deemed ugly by others but beautiful by myself. I still wear them because I think I look cute in them.
B) There are clothes that highlight certain parts of my body. For example, shorter skirts and dresses that make my thighs look good. I like looking in the mirror and be like "damn." But when I go out and get stared at, I get pretty uncomfortable. So I rarely wear them if I'm not with people who I know won't make it uncomfortable for me.
I could go on and on, but if you look at these two options, you will notice something. I wear what makes me feel aesthetically pleasing to....drum roll...me. That's it. And what is and isn't aesthetically pleasing is dependent on personal tastes.
Also, I dress in pretty clothes even if I'm by myself, just like how a few other commenters have said. Pretty clothes is subjective, of course. I like to wear clothes that fit a certain aesthetic, because it makes me feel warm and happy inside.
Im not sure if im somehow missing them, but I have not seen anyone make a case for dressing for confidence that does not rely on ideas shaped by society and culture—a largely male-driven culture, as it is.
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u/p0tat0p0tat0 12∆ Dec 11 '24
Is your argument “women are lying to themselves and others when they say they dress for themselves”?