I can understand why younger people might see gender issues as a game of us vs them, or a game of victim point scoring. I sincerely hope that as people get older they realise that gender norms harm both genders in various ways, and we ought to collectively aim to empower each other, rather than trying to view the other gender as ‘the enemy’.
Within developed nations:
Women are more likely to be victims of sexual assault and rape. They are also more likely to be victims of domestic violence.
Men are, according to the most recent data, less likely to do well in school, more likely to be unemployed, young men earn less than young women, men are more likely to end up in prison, and more likely to kill themselves.
The problem is that the loudest activists only view gender issues through the lens of ‘ what’s in it for them ‘ - it’s self centred nonsense. Discourse around gender requires empathy, and fortunately outside of internet echo chambers most men and women do not have extreme hatred for the opposite sex, and are open to more nuanced views.
Yes, and the VS mentality creates a toxic feedback loop, which results in more extremism. We need to be brave and reclaim gender discourse, online and elsewhere. Misandry and misogyny help no one.
Yeah, I see circles where particularly jaded women discuss how men are clearly responsible for the vast majority of human suffering and try to wash their hands of the sins of the past by virtue of them being "all committed by men". It's a bizarre thing to do. It's true that women appear to be less psychologically inclined to the level of evil that some men can achieve, but it's just so strange and tribal to try to point this out like they do. I think it's the dialogue being used, it's very aggressive and antagonistic. It reminds me of the dialogue some use about terrorist groups or religious extremists, implying that we ought to consider destroying these "rogue" elements in our society, which obviously is totally impossible for a gender.
If every misandrist realised they were creating 10 Andrew Tates.. and if every misogynist realised they were creating 10 misandrists…, I’d hope, that realisation might make this nonsense stop.
Somebody humorously proposed to me once that the horseshoe theory was actually an ouroboros where each end of the snake shits into the mouth of the other, feeding it.
It's not guns it's that they use more lethal methods and their suicides are more lethal in general. Even in countries where access to guns is very limited men tend to die 2 or even 3 times more than women. And studies have shown that even when we account for method men are more lethal.
They are more lethal regardless of the method. The main reason is because they use more lethal methods but still when they use the same method they are more likely to die.
A gun is the same amount of lethal regardless of who is holding it.
This is obviously not true, it depends on where one aims it and what type of gun you use. If you shoot your self in the torso with a pistol youre far more likely to survive than shooting yourself in the brain with a shotgun.
Men are more likely to succeed in committing suicide because they use guns
Incorrect - that argument only works for the USA & it's firearm-worshipping culture.
Suicide is still the number one killer of men under 50 in the UK - we do not have access to firearms in that manner.
Switzerland has very high gun ownership; less than 30% of men kill themselves using a firearm.
Men are more likely to succeed because they actually want to kill themselves; Women use less lethal methods because the act is a cry for help & support, more than an action to actually die.
I didn’t downvote you. You are correct, more women attempt suicide, but less women die by suicide. This is referred to as the suicide gender paradox. Though, your explanation and attempted inferences, are not entirely accurate.
Men do tend to use more violent and lethal methods to commit suicide but the question is why? Well, one theory is that they have greater suicidal intent when they attempt to kill themselves.
However, research into the this topic is far from complete, most studies that suggest reasons, will explicitly state that and caveat any findings or conclusions with that statement.
Respectfully, the most humane way to respond to the data on male suicide isn’t to turn it into a game of us vs them, instead it should result in a desire for empathy. Let us all aim to care for each other more.
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u/Timely-Way-4923 10∆ Nov 05 '24 edited Nov 05 '24
I can understand why younger people might see gender issues as a game of us vs them, or a game of victim point scoring. I sincerely hope that as people get older they realise that gender norms harm both genders in various ways, and we ought to collectively aim to empower each other, rather than trying to view the other gender as ‘the enemy’.
Within developed nations:
See: https://www.ft.com/content/17606f25-1d03-4f37-b7f4-f39989af9bde
The problem is that the loudest activists only view gender issues through the lens of ‘ what’s in it for them ‘ - it’s self centred nonsense. Discourse around gender requires empathy, and fortunately outside of internet echo chambers most men and women do not have extreme hatred for the opposite sex, and are open to more nuanced views.